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Posible task forces

Proposals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Desperate Housewives, Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#ER, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Law & Order, have all passed the threshold for work groups. Would the members of this project be interested in taking them on? John Carter (talk) 18:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Gimme a day or two to set up the project banner, then. John Carter (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The task force pages aren't set up yet, but the banner is at User:John Carter/Television and it can be seen in use at User talk:John Carter/Television. I'll create all the categories and what not when I create the task force pages. Does the new banner look acceptable? It should also be noted that the pages for all three, and for The Amazing Race as well, have now been created. John Carter (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The pictures are so small that the subjects are unidentifiable. Other than that, they look good. I am unsure if the task forces need "task force" at the end of their page names, compare Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Redirecting the existing pages and changing the images are certainly options. For what it's worth, I couldn't find any free images on ER or The Amazing Race. The apple from the userbox of Desperate Housewifes and the handcuffs from the Law & Order userbox have been substituted. So, of the five new task forces, counting Test cards, whose banner has been deprecated, ER and The Amazing Race are the two which could still bear a better image. John Carter (talk) 20:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking for quote from Arthur Hailey's "Wheels," 1978 TV mini series...

Actor Rock Hudson, playing character Adam Trenton, is asked to be logical and replies something like: "There's nothing logical about a 115-pound blond spending $2's worth of gas to drive a two-ton automobile 15 (?) miles to save 5 cents on a can of peas..." or something along those lines. Would appreciate the exact quote or suggestions where to ask. Thank you, Shir-El too 17:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Lost Our Lisa on Peer Review

Lost Our Lisa on Peer Review. Your comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Lost Our Lisa/archive1. Cirt (talk) 09:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Links to hulu?

(Similar post at WT:FILMS) I've been wasting plenty of time at http://www.hulu.com recently, and I'm wondering: should a link be placed to a) full-length episodes that are on the site in articles on that particular episode, and/or b) the link to the official landing page of a TV series for those shows whose official sites do not currently stream full-length episodes (for example, http://www.hulu.com/the-riches)? I imagine it would certainly be a useful resource. Perhaps a template like "Name_of_show at Hulu" could be developed? BuddingJournalist 22:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Template Issues (With Needs Infobox)

Your Template {{{WikiProject Television}} causes issues when ever there is needs-infobox=yes. It can been seen on these pages Talk:Brothers and Sisters (1979 TV series) & Talk:Kraft Television Theatre and possibly any other pages within the category. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 12:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, thanks for the heads up! Looks like some of the new code broke the template. For now I've removed the new changes, which has fixed it. Collectonian (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Flag in Infobox

A discussion has been started at Template talk:Infobox Television as to whether the flag icons belong in Television infoboxes and if they should be stripped. Since that is a relatively low traffic page, I thought a heads up here would be good before a decision is made by only a handful of people. Collectonian (talk) 13:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Episode List help

Anyone want to tackle cleaning up List of 2point4 children episodes and List of One Foot in the Grave episodes. I've tagged both needing expert attention including formatting to follow more standard episode list format (such as using episode list template, wikifying dates, etc), for needing a better lead (only one sentence), and needing references. They already has episode summaries, so I think if someone were willing to tackle that, they could be a potential featured list candidate relatively quickly. However, I've had previous dealings with the lists' primary editor, which were unpleasant to say the least. I'd rather not deal with him again, hence my asking someone else to volunteer. Collectonian (talk) 22:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll tackle 2.4. I preferred watching that to OFitG. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks! :) Good luck with the Degrassi FT BTW! Collectonian (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! Note that you won't see any changes on the page immediately, as I tend to do big pieces of work in my Sandbox and copy it over. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Seasons of Degrassi: The Next Generation

List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes, and each season of the show has been nominated for Featured Topic. If anyone wants to pop along to review and comment, the link is here: Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Seasons of Degrassi: The Next Generation. Cheers! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Minor characters on Frasier

Should this be renamed, deleted, merged or what? I see it just being a list of just about everything that isn't an article already. I'm leaning towards merge and/or delete. However, isn't a catch-all list a bit trivial and not necessary? If anything, it needs a bit of cleanup. I somehow don't think every person listed has importance. Plus, the whole list of Dr. Crane show callers seems a bit trivial. Plus the article has poor sourcing. RobJ1981 (talk) 06:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd say rename into List of characters in Fraiser, add links to the main characters, and keep the list as a possible merge target for the main characters since they don't establish notability. The list can also be trimmed for characters that aren't as important after all. (I have never watched Fraiser, so take these suggestions with a grain of salt.) – sgeureka t•c 09:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-A; How do you source a television show from 10 years ago? Are you allowed to use Tv.com as a source? Apart from Wikipedia, that's the only reliable source of Frasier info.
-B; What counts as an important minor character?
Some characters appear once and have no importance to the series: the gay manager who appeared only in 1 episode is unimportant.
Roz' cousin who appears once is unimportant.
A newspaper critic appears once, unimportant.
Roz' mother is mentioned numerous times, but only seen in one episode. Is she important?
Or there are characters who appear once but have a role: the waiter who got Roz pregnant. Is he important? But if you include him, you have to include his 1-apperance parents, the Huge-Noses.
There is also a husband who appeared only once. While the husband is unimportant, I think his wife and son should count because they've reoccurring characters and been involved with at least 4 or 5 plots over a span of 3 seasons.
I would keep all of Daphne's relatives though. That section needs expanding. Practically every episode, Daphne starts rambling about how her grammy Moon blew her eyebrows off, or how brother Billy married his prison cellmate. Her nuclear family is seen only a few times, but they're mentioned a lot.
-C; I'm not sure about all the callers, but I personally find that list interesting. ~~
TV.com is just a television version of IMDb (which, incidently, also doesn't television shows). It's information is user submitted, just like IMDb, and Wikipedia. Therefore, it is not considered a reliable source of information. That doesn't mean that it can't give you good enough to try and find sources for. Meaning, you can often look on the page at the information and then go search for that specific stuff in a more reliable source.
As for the minor character bit, I'd go with a renaming of the page to "List of characters in Frasier", or just "Frasier characters" (I've seen both titles used). I've always been of the opinion that people that either appear in a single episode, or who's multiple episode appearances are generally just cameos and don't really move the storyline along, probably don't need to be listed. If they even need to be covered at all, they're probably being covered sufficiently somewhere else (like an LOE page or something similar). Someone mentioned "Daphne's relatives", but if you don't see all these relatives all the time (regardless of her constant complaining) then they only need a bit mention in Daphne's section (not a section of their own).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The page obviously needs to be cut down so I would not hesistate to remove one-time characters. –thedemonhog talk • edits 16:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Classes

As a note, the project template can now properly handle FL class for featured lists, so please use FL instead of FA when a list passes through FLC. They also will be properly categorized in Category:FL-Class television articles. Additionally, a much needed fix was done to stop using the military history's class file, which resulted in all of our television articles also be categorized as being military history articles! Attention was called to the issue by their changing their class file, which broke our template. We now have our own class file so this shouldn't be a problem in the future. Collectonian (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes dispute

User:Robinepowell has been removing the series overview and DVD release information from the main Degrassi TNG episode list, and changing Canadian release dates on the various season pages, claiming that they are all wrong because TVShowsOnDVD.com says so. Three editors and I have all asked her to stop, we've tried discussing with her but she continues to basically say she's right "because she says so" and revert. The main list ended up being protected, though I felt she should have been blocked due to her violating 3RR. TVShowsOnDVD is great for American releases, but not always correct on Canadian. Still, she said the dates were wrong so we did check, as can be seen at Talk:List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes#Degrassi DVDs but she completely refuses to engage in discussion on the article talk page, only leaving barely civil messages on our user pages. Following the dispute resolution process, I'm leaving a message here for project input at the main talk page, and in the various season pages regarding her date changes and which source should be used, and if the series overview table should be removed (though silent consensus in our featured lists says it belongs). Collectonian (talk) 05:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

FAR

Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes

Hello, I was hoping that some people here, especially those with experience of having seen/helped get episode lists to featured list status, to check this article out and see if they have any suggestions. I put up a peer review, but without much response. The PR did help the article, but I came here in hopes of getting help from those working on other episode list articles. -AMK152(Talk • Contributions • Send message) 22:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Is the peer review still open? If not, where would you like people to place their comments? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 22:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the PR is still open here. -AMK152(Talk • Contributions • Send message) 23:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. I've got seven episodic featured lists under my belt, so I'll take a look and give it my thoughts. The Rambling Man also has a number of FLs to his name, none about episodes, so it's good that he reviewed. One thing, per WP:PR, don't use Y Done and N Not done as it slows down the time it takes to load the page. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 23:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Station workings

Hey there,

I've been inactive for while on Wikipedia, but i'd like to get active again. One of the reasons is I have a new job, as the head of IT for Channel North Television, a new regional television station in Whangarei, New Zealand.

As part of my position, I have access to and knowledge about all the key components of a television station, for production as well as broadcast. We have a decent budget, so we have a reasonably high-tech system.

I'm wondering if you guys would be interested in any photos or information on it. I'm sure I could get a few interesting shots. We have full broadcast automation, a complete studio with control room, microwave systems, fibre network stuff, and our office area. It could probably spice up quite a few articles.

If anyone is interested in getting me to take some photos i'd be happy to, and if anyone wants any information or wants me to improve any articles i'd be happy to do so.

If I don't reply for a while then send me an email from my userpage, i'm very forgetful.

Matt/TheFearow (Talk) 01:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I used to live in Whangarei, back in 1996/7. Until the station becomes "live", it might not be notable enough to have an article. Right now a Google and Yahoo search return 0 results. :( -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean for it's own article, I mean including photos and information from it into other articles. Since we have a lot of technology that we would be happy to photo and release into the public domain. (And it won't have any hits as our website is under construction). Matt/TheFearow (Talk) 02:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah! I understand. Then sure, take many photos. Wikipedia could always use more free-use images -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Rather than taking random ones, are there any articles being worked on or things needing documenting that anyone knows of? If not i'll just take photos of various important things, but i'd rather do them for things being worked on actively. By the way, don't you mean Commons neees more free images? :-) Matt/TheFearow (Talk) 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Principal and the Pauper at WP:FAC

The Principal and the Pauper is up at WP:FAC, comments would be appreciated. FAC discussion page is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Principal and the Pauper. Cirt (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Highlander: The Series (season 1) is a FLC

Hello, Highlander: The Series (season 1) is currently a FLC. Please feel free to leave comments at Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/Highlander:_The_Series_(season_1). Your input will be much appreciated. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 08:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

standards

Is it the general feeling here that any show which has actually aired on major network television is notable. for example Bram & Alice, which someone has prodded. I deprodded it for discussion. I 'm not really qualified to work on this one, so I'm notifying the people here. DGG (talk) 22:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say that Wikipedia rules, policies and guidelines take precedence over anything at the Project. If it is WP:Notable, it will have been written about by WP:Reliable sources. If it isn't, it won't, so I'd have to agree with the prodder. The project should be given a chance to address the notability issues though, so thanks for bringing it to our attention. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 22:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Quick Yahoo search brought these beauties [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], and [9]. Unfortunately I'm unable to add them to the article because we're supposed to be moving out of our apartment today, not editing Wikipedia. Apparently. So my wife tells me. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 22:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

{{TelevisionWikiProject}} and non-existent category

Hi, are you aware that the {{TelevisionWikiProject}} template puts articles into a non-existent category, "Category:Television articles with comments"? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 14:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

This only works when someone has left "Assessment comments" as a subpage in the infobox. I am not sure if a category is useful for that. – sgeureka t•c 15:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, thought I'd highlight the issue. I'll leave it to you guys working on this WikiProject to decide what to do with it. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 15:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)