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[edit] Assessment

so, as per Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot, i've set up Category:Space exploration articles by quality and Category:Space exploration articles by importance. Template still to come.. Mlm42 16:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

now there is a banner at {{WP Space exploration}}. Mlm42 17:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spacecraft propulsion listed for FAR

Hi, I'm not entirely sure this is the place to post this, but this message is to inform any and all interested parties that Spacecraft propulsion has been listed for Featured article review. Please feel free to either improve the article directly (the reason for review is the complete absence of references) or comment on the review itself. Thanks! -Fsotrain09 03:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glynn Lunney FAC

Just a note to say that I have nominated the article on Glynn Lunney as a featured article candidate. I would welcome comments and suggestions from anyone associated with this project, or anyone who has an interest in articles on space history. MLilburne 11:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympus Mons

Hello, I just nominated the Olympus Mons article for the Article Creation and Improvement Drive because I think that that article deserves to be class A. I thought this nomination might be of some interest to you all. Thanks! S.dedalus 06:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC

[edit] STS-51-L

I'd like to propose the addition of the STS-51-L article to the Article Creation and Improvement Drive. It's a fairly new article that could do with a lot of expansion, particularly in the areas of the background and lead-up to the accident, the mission objectives, along with various aspects of the mission's objectives & crew that don't fit into the disaster page. What do we think? Colds7ream 22:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Constellation

Hello all, I just added myself to the member list of this project and wanted to say hello. I've been working on the Ares I article and plan to go through and work on a number of the other Project Constellation related articles. Since these are all related to space exploration, they need to be better integrated into the space exploration wikiproject page. I've also noticed that there are a lot of space exploration related articles that don't say they are a part of this wikiproject, so when I find them I'll tag them as part of this project. Grant 18:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of flights

I have a major issue with the edits of User:Jamesbondfan, and I would like to check about it. He/she seems to consider that when an astronaut launches on one Shuttle, is in an ISS expedition and lands on another Shuttle flight it counts for three flights in the digit between brackets on the crew tables in the mission page. We have therefore had conflicting edits on Expedition 14. What do you think. Hektor 09:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I've always thought of that as only one flight, and I believe that's the commonly accepted definition. MLilburne 11:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MSC

Hello. Just in case I goofed thought I should say here that I rated Jeannette Piccard, a spokesperson for MSC during Project Apollo, and gave it Low importance. Also uploaded a photo for Robert R. Gilruth because someone had rated that article High importance. Hope this helps. Best wishes for your project. -Susanlesch 14:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Space Launches by Month/Year

Tdrss (talk • contribs) has made this category with articles in it but I don't think there'd be many space launches in any one month for there to be a point in having seperate articles. Can someone handle this? Thanks! --WikiSlasher 02:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

This is already being attempted in Timeline of spaceflight 131.111.8.103 09:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've just sent it to CFD. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new article

Would members of this project take a look at Independent evidence for human Moon landings? Bubba73 (talk), 22:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ATS

I have started an article on the Applications Technology Satellites. Please help in expanding the article. Regards, Aksi_great (talk) 14:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conversion templates

Hello! This is to announce that several templates for automatic convertion between metric and imperial units and for displaying consistently formatted output have been created: {{km to mi}}, {{mi to km}}, {{m to ft}}, {{ft to m}}, {{km2 to mi2}}, {{mi2 to km2}}, {{m2 to ft2}}, and {{ft2 to m2}}. Hopefully, they will be useful to the participants of this WikiProject. The templates are all documented, provide parameters to fine-tune the output, and can be substituted if necessary.

Any suggestions, requests for improvement/features, or bug reports are welcome.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a bit of testing here and as you can see sometimes new lines are started when they shouldn't. --WikiSlasher 07:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That's because <includeonly> and <noinclude> tags must immediately follow one another. When you "noincluded" the see also section added by another user, you inserted a line break, which shows when the template is trancluded. I'll have that fixed. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] launch window

I added Launch window as an article within the scope of this project. It's currently mostly a stub. Any suggestions on where to find good references to expand this topic? Sdsds 20:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Space exploration banner

It has been suggested here that the banner {{WPAstronomy}} be merged with {{WPSS}} and {{WP Space exploration}} into a hypothetical {{WPSpace}} banner. This would take a good amount of work, that i'm willing to take on (with help, hopefully!). Comments welcome here. Mlm42 09:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, so hopefully i didn't just break everything, but i believe i've replaced the {{WP Space exploration}} banner with {{WPSpace}}.. if there are any requests about how the banner should look, let me know.. i just threw this one together. Mlm42 01:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potential New Projects

Hey guys, you may be interested in helping expand articles concerning the Soviet Zond program, Mars probe program and the Marsnik program (even though the last is better written). The Zond program though is severely underrepresented at present.

[edit] scope of project

Can we put together a better paragraph for the "scope" section of Wikipedia:WikiProject Space exploration? I propose:

The scope of this project includes articles on the history of space exploration, the science and technology used for space exploration, and to a lesser extent the motivations for and politics of space exploration programs. However, not all spaceflight is exploration per se. For example, modern telecommunications satellites are outside the scope of this project. The project does however follow the example of NASA and include all human spaceflight as exploration, even commercial space tourism.

Comments? Improvements? Alternatives? Sdsds 23:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review of Shuttle-Mir Program

Hi there everyone - just to let you know that i've put the Shuttle-Mir Program up for peer review, and would very much appreciate any comments anyone would like to make. Colds7ream 16:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independent evidence for Apollo Moon landings → Apollo missions tracked by independent parties

Independent evidence for Apollo Moon landings → Apollo missions tracked by independent parties- proposed by user:ScienceApologist. 132.205.44.134 23:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Pluto spacecraft, Template:Neptune spacecraft, Template:Uranus spacecraft

Template:Pluto spacecraft has been proposed for deletion at WP:TFD by user:Cop 633. 132.205.44.134 23:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Mercury Program

Template:Mercury Program is up for deletion at WP:TFD, because it overlaps with Template:Project Mercury. 132.205.44.134 01:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a bunch of things were prodded because of transwiki to wiktionary on June 3rd

Chasma, Dorsum, Flexus, Flumen, Fluctus, Linea, Macula (planetary geology), Mensa (geology), Rupes, Tholus. Personally, I feel they should be redirected somewhere... 132.205.44.134 22:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does scope include astronauts

Does the scope of WikiProject Space exploration include astronauts? I ask because of the three I checked, the Neil Armstrong discussion page indicated he is within scope, but Sunita Williams and Clayton Anderson didn't. Is there value to being consistent? Is there value to picking and choosing? (sdsds - talk) 04:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

There is definitely value to being consistent. I think there are just a lot of astronauts that no one has gotten around to tagging yet. MLilburne 07:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed at Talk:Lee Archambault that template:WPBiography banner has options (e.g. military-work-group=yes) allowing working groups for other professions to state the person is in their scope. Following this approach would take less space on the page than a seperate template:WPSpace banner. Maybe WPBiography|space-work-group=yes could be set up for astronauts, flight controllers, etc.? (sdsds - talk) 16:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like an interesting idea. MLilburne 17:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

FYI I attempted to start a dialog on this at Template talk:WPBiography#Astronaut bios. (sdsds - talk) 19:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article need attention

The article Reports of Streptococcus mitis on the moon needs attention. It is about the reports of bacteria being brought back in the Surveyor 3 camera. It has a notice that it may be a hoax article. I don't know one way or the other, so someone in the know should take a look at it. Bubba73 (talk), 00:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

My feeling from a quick look at the article and the links is that it's not a hoax, just very POV. I don't have the time to work on it, but I don't think it needs an expert, just a little thought and attention. MLilburne 11:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is fine now. Nick mallory 23:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, I agree that it's not a hoax, but I think the article still needs some work on encyclopedic tone. I may tag it as such. MLilburne 09:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Moonwatch

Operation Moonwatch is up for deletion here [1]. It was a worldwide project of amateur astronomers and observatories improvised to track early satellite launches in 1957 and was the first to track Sputnik but somebody thinks it might be a hoax.... Nick mallory 23:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hopper (spacecraft)

I have proposed a merger of Hopper (spacecraft) and EADS Phoenix; discuss at Talk:Hopper (spacecraft). If anyone has the time, any and all thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks, Vsst 04:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Space elevator FAR nomination

Space elevator has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Qblik talk 20:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added userbox and category for WikiProject Human Spaceflight

I've created a userbox for HSF:

This user is a member of WikiProject Human Spaceflight.

{{User HSF Project}}


I have also created the appropriate category for the project. Since the proposal would not affect either the HSF project, nor its parent project, this should have no issues should the proposal go through. Input is appreciated! Ariel♥Gold 04:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


How do I join this wiki project, I am very interested to contribute. --Mic of orion 01:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to be a member to contribute, but please feel free to add your name to the list here. (sdsds - talk) 09:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for Stanley Dunin

An article is up for deletion where a key claim for notability is that this person might have been the first to "successfully calculate the way to inject a satellite into a geosynchronous orbit" Some expert opinions and reliable sources on the validity of this claim would be appreciated. Tim Vickers 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Challenger redirect?

Shoudln't Challenger redirect to Space Shuttle Challenger? That's got to be the most searched for use of the word. It's wrong that Space Shuttle Challenger is listed lower than articles like Challenger Elementary on the disambiguation. Basil Richards 18:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag use

Per the manual of style on flag icon use, flags should be used sparingly, and not used in the article prose. Flags should also not emphasize nationality without a good reason, "Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag next to something can make its nationality or location seem to be of greater significance than other things." NASA represents the US, and it is a given that NASA astronauts represent America. However, when the astronauts on missions are representing countries other than NASA, it is appropriate to specify this, although the MOS would still discourage the use of the flag icon. The icons are quite distracting when 6/8 people listed on a mission article have US flags next to them. Note that this has nothing to do with national pride, or with national identity, but simply used sparingly to help a reader, and not to decorate. To this end, USA astronauts need not have the flag icon next to them, as it is obvious they represent America by being with NASA. This is a relatively new guideline, so many people may not be familiar with it, so this is why I'm bringing the issue here for discussion. Thoughts? Ariel♥Gold 13:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Scientific peer review

This Scientific Peer Review project can hardly be called successful. While there have been a steady but small flow of articles submitted for review, the actual reviews have been either non-existent or in no real way different from those done through the standard Wikipedia:Peer review process. Some editors will recall that the project was started with an enthusiastic discussion about identifying expert reviewers through an elected board. Unfortunately as time went by, it became clear there was no consensus on whether we had a board, or on how it was to be set up or on what it was supposed to do. There was also a lack of consensus on what "sciences" we were covering, and on many other aspects. In the end we sort of lapsed into a minimal review process which has staggered on for about 18 months. I think it is time we decided what to do about the project. Unless people can come up with a new way forward and enthusiastically implement it, I think we have to declare that this project be no longer active in any sense and that editors should ask for review at WP:PR. I am posting this on the talk pages of the major Science WikiProjects. Please feel free to publicize it elsewhere. Please add you comments at Wikipedia talk:Scientific peer review#Is this inactive?. --Bduke 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MESUR

MESUR (Mars Environmental Survey) program seems to be missing. 132.205.99.122 22:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delta-v (physics) for deletion

Delta-v (physics) has been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delta-v (physics). A suggestion has been made to perhaps merge with Delta-v, the orbital dynamics article. 132.205.99.122 (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Surface features of celestial bodies

categories of Surface features of celestial bodies has been nominated to rename from cat:X on Y to cat:X of Y. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 9#Surface features of celestial bodies 132.205.99.122 (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming to WikiProject Spaceflight

Space WikiProjects
Space (coordinating) templates
Astronomy
★Astronomical objects
☉Constellations task force
Solar System
Mars • Moon
Space exploration

Human spaceflight • Rocketry • Space colonization • Timeline of spaceflight • Unmanned space missions

I wonder if it would make sense to rename this wikiproject to Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight and expand its scope to explicitly include commercial and military space missions. The obvious alternative, creating a new wikiproject, would not work as well within the overall scope of Space-related wikiprojects. (See organizational template subst-ed at right.) Comments? (sdsds - talk) 06:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Strongly support per nom. Very good idea, it is illogical for things such as the "timeline of spaceflight" to fall under space exploration. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 19:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This has been proposed for a while now. There have been no objections, so I'm going to move it. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 10:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to merge Portal:Space exploration into Portal:Spaceflight

Hi, I have proposed that these two portals are merged, as there is too much overlap between them, and Space Exploration is being too general in its content. Please could you look at, and comment on the proposal, which is located here. I am posting this on the talk pages of all interested WikiProjects. All feedback is greatly appreciated. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 19:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to merge three child WikiProjects

Discussion is located on the Human Spaceflight project's talk page

I'm just notifying a couple of the parent projects of a proposal to merge WikiProject Space missions and WikiProject Space travellers into Wikipedia:WikiProject Human Spaceflight. Please leave comments and questions on the Human spaceflight project's talk page. Thanks --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 23:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article review notification: Saturn V

Saturn V has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roketry project

Is Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocketry still an inactive project? I'm wondering if there is enough interest to have that project re-done as a shared aviation/military history/spaceflight project task force. To take a sampling of articles that link to {{Infobox Missile}}, V-2 rocket and AGM-65 Maverick are currently tagged under the Military history project (just like (B-17 Flying Fortress). Perhaps is should be a shared task force, just like the Military aviation task force. Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 19:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Mariner 1 and 2 article

Over the past week I've been steadily improving the Mariner 2 article. I noticed there is a large overlap in information between the Mariner 1 and Mariner 2 article, specifically because they were essentially the same, and as Mariner 1 failed it returned no significant data. I suggested merging the articles, but got no response so far, so I hope you can give an opinion on the matter. Also, Mariner 6 and 7 are currently one article, so overall it shouldn't be a problem. Please discuss here. Thanks! Van der Hoorn (talk) 06:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder of the Philip Greenspun Illustration project

Hi. You may be familiar with the Philip Greenspun Illustration Project. $20,000 has been donated to pay for the creation of high quality diagrams for Wikipedia and its sister projects.

Requests are currently being taken at m:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests and input from members of this project would be very welcome. If you can think of any diagrams (not photos or maps) that would be useful then I encourage you to suggest them at this page. If there is any free content material that would assist in drawing the diagram then it would be great if you could list that, too.

If there are any related (or unrelated) WikiProjects you think might have some suggestions then please pass this request over. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 16:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Unknown-importance space exploration articles

I've tweaked the {{WPSpace}} banner template so that it now populates Category:Unknown-importance space exploration articles. There are currently more than 200 entries in that category. I wonder if someone would like to take the lead on the effort to evaluate the importance to spaceflight of these articles? Or even formulate the criteria by which that importance should be evaluated? (sdsds - talk) 07:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but the WikiProject seems a bit dead. I'm willing to give it a try. We should definitely define some criteria first as this would certainly make evaluation easier. I also noticed some articles (e.g. Pioneer 5) are not even tagged with this WikiProject, so we should lookout for those pages as well. Some criteria could be:
  • Spacecraft (e.g. Mariner 4)
  • System used on spacecraft (e.g. Magnetometer)
  • Successfulness of spacecraft (e.g. failed on launch vs. crashed on planet, vs. mission successful)
Van der Hoorn (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The WPSpace banner and "Importance to Spaceflight"

It should now be possible to use the {{WPSpace}} banner template with e.g. "spaceflight=yes | spaceflight-importance=Mid", as demonstrated at Talk:Pioneer Venus project. This mechanism still places the talk page into the pre-existing Category:Space exploration articles by importance categories. At some point will we want to rename those, or make new ones for "spaceflight"? (sdsds - talk) 18:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Started today. LanceBarber (talk) 23:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
DONE, updated all STS and Shuttle Talks with new form, and unified all lead-in sentences of all same articles. LanceBarber (talk) 06:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
All Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo and related articles Talks have been updated.LanceBarber (talk) 07:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Satellite navigation systems at MFD

Hi, I have nominated Portal:Satellite navigation systems for deletion. Discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Satellite navigation systems. GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 22:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Asia's Space Race

Hello, I've recently created the article Asia's Space Race. I believe this is a recent and important topic in the field. Please help me to expand it. Cheers.--Mhsb (talk) 00:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] shuttle Crew Members Category

Is there a category/list containing space shuttle astronauts ? I think would be a useful addition. --Jor70 (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rocket article titles

I have proposed a large number of moves and other changes to clean up the mess that is caused by the lack of any accepted disambiguation standard for rocket articles. The proposal is located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rocketry/Titles --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 08:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Space Shuttles

Should Project 921-3 (Chinese Shuttle), be added to this template? Thanks, Marasama (talk) 06:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Collaborate on Mars lander article

With the Phoenix landing being in the news, might it be fun right now to launch a collaborative authoring effort to create a Mars lander article? There's a lot to be written about landing on Mars, and in particular on the different approaches (powered descent, beach-ball, impactor) that have been used or considered. Even the rover missions need a lander component. And it would probably be within scope to discuss at least a little the entry and descent aspects of this kind of mission, not just the landing per se.

Is anyone interested in organizing this kind of effort? Does it make more sense just to "wade in," creating yet another stubby article with whatever comes to the author's mind, or would a dicussion first at Talk:Mars lander make for a better result in the end? (sdsds - talk) 01:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Responding to myself: perhaps the (extant) Mars landing article is sufficient. (sdsds - talk) 23:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)