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[edit] Lotta Hitschmanova

I am updating this article and there is a notice about obtaining a picture for the article. I contacted USC Canada whom she worked for and obtained a picture of Lotta. I informed them that I would add it to Wikipedia as a public domain picture as long as they are cited as the owner. I went to the upload pictures page and chose "The copyright owner allows this work to be used for non-commercial and/or educational purposes". I figure this is close enough. But then it adds a notice that this is no good and the picture will be speedily deleted. WTF is going on here? Can someone tell me why they put this option here if you can't use it? Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed. Atrian (talk) 14:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I notice no one has responded to Atrian. I have not until now just because I don't know. Your choice sounds reasonable to me, but I'm not an expert on image fair use. Do any of our administrators or other members have any insight? Aleta (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I posted the same notice on the Canadian Wikipedia project page and received a good answer. It is a non-trivial subject, to say the least. Atrian (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you got a good answer somewhere! So briefly, what did you learn? Aleta (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
That unless you actually took the picture yourself and want to donate for complete free access, putting a picture up on Wikipedia is f%&$!@g complicated! Atrian (talk) 14:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

I would support making Unitarian Universalism our first official collaboration. Aleta (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as I nominated it I holy sport it being our first official collaboration as well. --Devin Murphy (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I am going to go ahead and make Unitarian Universalism our first official collaboration. And I hope all of you can help to mack it a better article. --Devin Murphy (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea! (3 months later) Aleta Sing 19:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unitarian Universalism work group? discussion from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

There has been a suggestion over on the WikiProject Religion talk page to create a work group or possibly separate project, depending on amount of interst, consisting of folks interested in articles related to Unitarian Universalism. So would anyone here be interested in joining in such an effort. --Devin Murphy (talk) 07:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Interested wikipedians


Enough interest has been shown that I've created a work grou page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Unitarian Universalism work group. Please continue discussion there.  :) Aleta 19:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Holly Near

I'm almost certain Holly Near's a UU, but I can't find any reliable sources to say so. I've found where she gave the Ware Lecture at the 2004 GA, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone have a reliable source we can use? Aleta (Sing) 21:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging work group articles - technical question

Other workgroups of WP:RELIGION have a line in that infobox that, when turned on, identify an article as belonging to that workgroup (such as |LeftHandPath=yes). How can we create the same thing for this project? I don't know much about the mechanics of that sort of thing. Aleta (Sing) 16:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, by adding "|UnitarianUniversalism=yes" in the same way. I'm going to be adding a couple of more specs below the template in a while, but that should work for now. Sorry for the delay. And it might be a good idea to remind me again in a week or so about the adding of details, because with my memory I could fairly easily forget it. John Carter (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Wonderful, thanks, John! Aleta (Sing) 23:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists

Hey all, this list is currently well referenced. However, it is missing a lot of entries. The reasons for both of these include the fact that back in November, someone deleted all the unreferenced entries. If you can, try to find sources and add them back to the list.

Also, this diff shows the entries that have been deleted because there was no separate article on the person. If you want to start any articles, that may be a source of needed article topics. Aleta (Sing) 17:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spiritualistic practises

Hi.

I would like to start a workgroup for individuals interested in documenting the broad spectrum of spiritualist practises and wonder if it would fit within your Project.

I wish not to treat the subject in the pejoratively used 'pseudoscientific' manner nor the associated religious and ritualistic practises paranormal but from a religious, sociological or anthropological points of view. I am also refining spiritualistic phenomena from general "spirituality".

By "spiritualistic", I am not refer to Modern Spiritualism but to paraphrase Conan Doyle, the timeless practise of similar phenomena through all history and peoples - which obvious pre-dates and out-steps the movement. I do not with to unnecessarily engage in the "skeptic versus adherent" debate but rather just take the starting point of observing and documenting the whole.

I have made a start on the general Spiritualism page and with a template, here; Template:Spiritualistic_small. It has already incurred the wrath of a individuals support a limited orthodox use of the word Spiritualism who has put it up for deletion here, [1] your comments welcome.

The most important sections I weak are weak and need defining are those relating to the ;

  • (Philosophical)
  • (Metaphysical)
  • (Ethical)
  • (Epistemological)

use of the word. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 03:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lucy, it doesn't sound like it should be a subproject of this one (though there may be places we'd overlap). You might want to make it another work group of our parent project Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion or of Wikipedia:WikiProject Spirituality. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate. Aleta (Sing) 21:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buckminster Fuller

I noticed that Buckminster Fuller is fiilled under the cadegoery Unitarin Universalists. But there seams to be no references or citations to back this claim up in his article. Dos anyone know if this is true or not because if it is true this would by so cool.--Devin Murphy (talk) 23:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I just removed the category. I think they were conflating Richard Buckminster Fuller with Arthur Buckminster Fuller, the Unitarian minister. See <http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/arthurbuckminsterfuller.html>. (Too bad! That would indeed have been cool.) Aleta (Sing) 00:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It would seem that Richard is Arthur's grandson. So it is still entirely possible that he was Unitarian. But we have to find a source to say so... Aleta (Sing) 00:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Found a source! http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/fuller.html Aleta (Sing) 00:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've added into the article that he was Unitarian and Arthur's grandson with the two sources I've given above (and put the article into Category:Unitarians. Aleta (Sing) 00:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging articles with work group categories

I think work group categories need to be kept for talk pages, not article pages. I notice that after I removed the work group category from Unitarian Universalist, Devin put it back. Can we move it to Talk:Unitarian Universalist? Also, should the work group parameter in the religion project template automatically put those pages in our cats? Aleta Sing 19:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Here

I just added "WikiProjectReligion |class=Start |importance= |UnitarianUniversalism=yes" to Talk:Universal reconciliation, but I figured I should check here to make sure what I've done is appropriate. Also, if I want to be a part-time contributor to the project, do I just add my name to the member list? Thanks. Mmyotis (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The UU Barnstar

I hate to be mean, but that proposed UU Barnstar is not very attractive. Are there other design ideas out there? Ecoleetage (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No thoughts? Well, if no one objects to the design, when can we turn it into a real Barnstar? Ecoleetage (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree it's not the prettiest barnstar around, but I have no skill to create another option. Aleta Sing 13:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I can barely draw a straight line. Well, if we use the design, it would look like this:

The Unitarian Universalist Barnstar
This is just here for a sample demonstration of what this could possible look like. What do you think of it? Ecoleetage (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

If people are satisfied, what do say that we start giving it out? Ecoleetage (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

OK by me. Other opinions? Aleta Sing 03:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Aleta, I think it is just you and I around here! :) If there are no objections, is it okay to give this out to people who are supportive of UU history and culture articles? Ecoleetage (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I say we go a head with it. --Devin Murphy (talk) 03:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. I will start spreading the love! Ecoleetage (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Aleta's talk page

I'm copying this conversation over here since it seems like it would be worthwhile for all the project participants to be able to comment in it. Aleta Sing 23:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest a list of notable UUs, probably on the WikiProject page (that may not fly as a standalone article). Articles on notable theologians and churches would also work. I would like to see a better UU barnstar (the one that was proposed isn't that attractive, or at least I don't think it is). I wish there was a way to bring the UUA itself into the process -- do they even know we're here? Ecoleetage (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists does exist as a standalone list already. No argument about the notable theologians and churches. Have you had a look through the categories? I agree about the star. I doubt the UUA knows about us. Of course, we would have to be careful about WP:COI issues. Aleta Sing 23:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question about scope

Do people think we should limit ourselves to Unitarian Universalism, per se? Or how much should we include of Unitarianism and Universalism that's not necessarily under the UU umbrella? Aleta Sing 18:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Personal opinion, for what little it might be worth, is the Unitarianism and Universalism joined together to create UU, so in effect their history is also the history of UU. In effect, probably, yeah, those subjects should be included as well. John Carter (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This is my take as well, but I didn't want to assume for the whole group. :) Thanks, John! Aleta Sing 19:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unitarian Church (Charleston, South Carolina)

I just tagged this article with the project. It could be a great DYK if someone is interested in expanding it. APK yada yada 02:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, APK. Actually, we need to merge it into Unitarian Universalist Church in Charleston (S.C.). It's the same church. Aleta Sing 02:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've merged them, but I'm tired. If someone else wants to check how smooth the merger is, that would be a good thing! Aleta Sing 02:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)