Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico

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[edit] Recommendations

  • Gather more participants
  • Start a collaboration of the week or collaboration of the month (similar to the adopt an article)
  • Move the articles section to a sub-article. Reason: This section is very long but it is necessary. It is good to recognize good contributions and achievements.
  • Write, write , write

Joelito 00:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

  • About Segundo Ruiz Belvis article: the reference within the article should be to "Ruiz Belvis" and not to "Belvis". "Ruiz" is not his middle name but paternal last name and "Belvis" is his maternal last name. As is the custom in Puerto Rico and most Spanish-speaking countries you either use the parternal last name or both together.

[edit] Mayagüez-related articles

As you may notice from my user page, I've decided to concentrate my efforts in articles about Mayagüez and its people. Folks, I need help fixing these... I've done my best to de-stub quite a few, but applying decent editing criteria and verifying references is a pain in the rear end. Any help will be more than appreciated. Demf 16:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I will try to help where I can. I currently live in Mayagüez so I may be able to take some pictures if necessary. Joelito (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Puerto Ricans

One of the main concerns about the "list" is that it is getting out of control and that many names of people who have only had their "15 minutes of fame" or simply are non-notables are being added. I propose that we set up guidelines as to who should be admitted with a clear definition as to the terms "notable" and "fame". I am calling upon the parties interested to express their opinion and to help develope these guidelines. I believe that after we take a vote and reach a censensus, said guidelines should be followed and posted either on the article or the articles talk page. We need your help. Tony the Marine 19:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

  • One option might be to call it a list of "notable" Puerto Ricans, and remove people who would probably not survive AFD if they had an article. Since it's just a list you could probably interpret it a little but liberally. How does that sound? Guettarda 19:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Ouch, that's a hard one. A good rule of thumb would be to allow only people whose contributions to Puerto Rican culture, economy, etc. be tangible in history, be it Puerto Rican or somewhere else's. Merely being an actor, for example, won't cut it (that would include Jose Ferrer and Gina Lynn in the same league). That rule alone would leave out many currently famous people. As far as currently famous people, we could allow those whose contribution make a social impact that is lasting (but how to define that?) Demf 20:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it is a hard one. Let's take for example Ricky Martin, I believe (and I may be wrong) that his contributions to Puerto Rican "pop" culture may well be remembered 15 years from now but, on the other hand how long will people remember, lets say Vico C? Tony the Marine 20:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Social, historical, cultural, political, economic impacts should all be factors for additon on the list. The list should not exclude Vico C, but a teacher who has one won award should not be on the list. Although I dont agree with Taina's contributions, excluding her would be "un-Puerto Rican" because she symbolizes the Latin American vedette, a figurenot too well known in the Anglo world. The most important thing is has the individual made an impact to the overall growth of Puerto Ricans. While Jose Padilla is a Puerto Rican, he should be put in a special category like "newsworthy" and not bunch in with talented Puerto Ricans such as Anthony Romero or Miguel Arteta. --XLR8TION 20:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I think those P.Ricans that have passed the test of time should be on the list,those who have won international awards or have had a cultural impact beyond their heyday. I just added today Rene Marques in the Latin America article, to my surprise there was no puerto rican in that list (Latin American authors-literature). We need to select a few but essential Puerto Ricans. We need to 'cut the fat' and say goodbye to the 'here today-gone tommorow' TV personalities and other 'artistas' and personalities who can easily be front page in a magazine this week or newspaper in PR but have a lot of road to run ahead of them. For example Taina vs Iris Chacon, this is an easy one. Iris Chacon not only was an international vedette but had a social impact beyond her dances in the culture of PR (her battle with the catholic church, censorship of her tv show, feminist issues,etc..), Taina is just a tv model that should not be in the list.--vertical 07:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah, Vertical, but this kinda discriminates against people with relevancy nowadays, simply because their impact on society hasn't been well assessed. Without Vico C, for example, there would not be a Daddy Yankee, that alone deserves the price of admission. If that should be the approach, we'd better strive to fill those articles up with as much relevant contributions from the featured personality in his or her article as possible, before leaving in a gazillion stubs. That's hard to do. I'm truly surprised, for example, that the article on Luis Rafael Sanchez is as terse as it is. La Burbu, OTOH, gets an article. However, chances are that there are more potential authors here that could fill up an article on La Burbu than on Sánchez. I've initiated stubs on a few personalities, but strictly because editing an existing article demanded it (just to add sufficient context). I suggest that some deadline be set as to fill stubs of the more relevant ones (maybe 90 days), and AfD the rest. Demf 15:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] just an idea

How about if we kept the Puerto Ricans who were either the "first" in something, who were awarded high honors such as the Medal of Honor, Medal of Freedom, Oscars, Grammys, etc., those who have had books or movies about them, who were pioneers let's say in Puerto Rican television, those whose accomplishments have transcended or island and those whose contributions to our society in general have made an impact on our island, in the "notable" list.

Then we can also have an alternate list like, for example "List of Puerto Rican Entertainers" or "List of Puerto Rican Athletes" where we can include our icons and with those who are currently famous but, whose contributions are to early to judge.

This is just an idea and I would like to hear some input. Tony the Marine 02:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That is a good idea. PR has a big list of entertainers and the list can be endless, we need to find a method, a way to select those essential Puerto Ricans. since we are in an international encyclopedia (if we where in a pr encyclopedia then things would be very different) we need to do a selection. on a personal note many of my favorites will not be in that list.--vertical 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea - there are enough people to break the list down into sublists. I would advise checking to see if there is a "Lists of People" WikiProject or something in the MoS which deals with this - see if there are existing guidelines on how to break up lists like this. Guettarda 18:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I dunno... how should we group those? By media outlet? (Jacobo Morales alone would throw that one outta wack) I say lump the "important" ones by each medium, then lump the rest as "Miscellaneous" or some similar arrangement Demf 18:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Tony, I think that way this should be done is to sort out entertainers who have earned international recognition from those who are much more island or U.S.-based. Artists like Raul Julia, Jose Ferrer, Rita Moreno are known all over the world, whereas, Jose Agrelot, El Gangster (aka Antonio Sanchez), and Taina are more known on the island. I think they are all worthy of being added but they should be sorted out by their level of fame and notoriety.--XLR8TION 17:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the point here is to keep the list of PRicans for the highly notable people, and spin off others into specific lists (much like the current list is broken down into sub-categories). Of course, if you do that some people will end up on multiple lists. Guettarda 21:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Guettarda knows what I mean and what I'm trying to get at. The actual "list" can be kept as "List of Puerto Ricans" and we can establish a "List" of highly notable Puerto Ricans, with its sub-categories" who meet the some of the above mentioned criteria. This list can be monitored by a committee composed of those of us who have been interested enough to participate in this dialogue. Tony the Marine 01:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


I completely agree with XLR8TION's and Tony the Marine's last posts. Let's chop it up into sections and start identifying highly notable boricuas from those "just-locally" famous. The list(s) should also include a very brief description of each person's accomplishment in order to evidence his/her merit. - Mtmelendez 12:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Draft of a Proposal

This is only a "draft" of a proposal. Feel free to improve it.

First, let's eliminate the word "notable" from the original list. This can be a "List of famous Puerto Ricans" or as it is already known, a "List of Puerto Ricans" which can include even those PR's whose fame is short lived.

Second, we establish a "List of "notable" Puerto Ricans", which will include only the names of those who are highly notable and meet an established criteria. This list will also have sub-categories (same as the original list) therefore the names will not be lumped together. The names in list should also mention their main accomplishment.

ex: instead of "Roberto Cofresi - pirate"; "Roberto Cofresi - a pirate who became part of Puerto Rico's legend and lore."

Third, we create a committee of volunteers, of which I hope you will be a member. The object of the commitee is to monitor the list by making sure that the names added meet the criteria. The committe members should add the new list in their "watchlist". Any disagreements between the members should be discussed in the new list's talk page where a call for consensus may be carried out if needed.

Example of introduction:

[edit] List of Notable Puerto Ricans

In this list are highly notable people who were either born in Puerto Rico, are descendents of Puerto Ricans or have chosen Puerto Rico as their homeland. Their contributions to the social and cultural structures of society in some cases are not limited only to Puerto Rico. Those listed have never denied being Puerto Rican and have met one or more of the requirements set by the following criteria.

  • 1. "First" or Greatest, the person was either the first Puerto Rican in a historical event or to accomplish a feat.

ex: Angelita Lind - Considered the "Grestest" track star in Puerto Rico.

ex: First Puerto Rican Congressman or First Puerto Rican woman to die in a war.

  • 2. "Father or Mother of ....", the person is recognized as being the founder of a movement or an idea.

ex: The Father of Black History or The Mother of Women's sports in Puerto Rico.

  • 3. Recognitions, the person has received a public or private recognition for his contributions.

ex: A government tribute, mention in a book of records, naming of a public structure, beatification, member of a Hall of Fame.

  • 4. Awards, the person is nominated or is the recipiant of an important award.

ex: The Medal of Honor, Presidential Medal of Freedom, Oscars, Grammy's, Tony's, Emmy's, Olympic or other sports medals of importance, Nobel Prize or a high recognition from another country.

  • 5. Historical Impact, the person's contribution has had a time lasting historical impact internationally or nationally.

ex: Eugenio Maria de Hostos - international impact; Mariana Brachetti - national impact.

  • 6. International Cultural Impact, the person's contributions may have had an impact on the World's culture.

ex: Angel Ramos founded "Telemundo"; Ramon Lopez Irizarry, invented Coco Lopez and gave the world the "Piña Colada".

  • 7. Legends, people whose deeds (or misdeeds) have become part of Puerto Rico's legend and lore. These are people who have books, movies, plays, etc. about them.

ex: Roberto Cofresi - pirate; Felipe Birriel- "EL Gigante de Carolina"

  • 8. Internationally renowned, the person is an internationally recognized figure or champion.

ex: Jennifer Lopez

  • 9. Pioneers or Founders, the person was either a pioneer in the developement or founder of an institution or company of great importance.

ex: Paquito Cordero - television pioneer, Joseph A. Unanue - Goya Foods


Now, remember this is only a draft. I would create a page for the "criteria" and the intro would link to it. If we agree then we can vote on the proposal. Tony the Marine 02:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I am liking it so far. With these "rules" for inclusion the list would be more manegable and would include only people of high notability. Joelito (talk) 17:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I like it as well. It is important not to remove many Puerto Ricans off the list, even if they are not the most positive role models (e.g. Jose Padilla). Even negativ emodels like Padilla can be use to teach future generations not to choose the path he chose to take. It is also important that besides cultural, historical that economic pioneers such as the founders of Goya Foods, Telemundo, El Nuevo Dia, etc.. be recognized too. --XLR8TION 18:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
  • None of the Puerto Ricans will be removed from the original list. The new list will only have those who are highly notable and meet the criteria as explained above. Tony the Marine 19:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Ditto on the list... Demf 13:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the classification list is too long and some personalities can be in 2 or 3 of them at once. Also i think we should take off any negative personality from the list who is not a political or historical person. --vertical 04:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rico FAC!

Be sure to support Puerto Rico's Featured article candidacy!!! Hezzy 18:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but this FAC is premature and will undoubtedly fail. Too many unresolved issues, some sections are too short and unreferenced while other are too long. The article is not up to featured quality yet. Joelito (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
True that, double true...--Cerejota 19:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Joelito, but we're getting closer. Thanks for the support, Hezzy - Mtmelendez 20:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verification help: Satanic Smurfs

Hi - I was wondering of anyone from Puerto Rico can help verify this from the article Smurfs

During 1983, rumors of the Smurfs' satanic activities spread across Puerto Rico.[citation needed] Those who believed the theory claimed seeing Smurfs below plants in their houses, next to their beds, dressed as the devil, etc. The rumors spread like through Latin America, where people went so far as to claim that small, demon-like Smurfs propagated through their recorded albums and attacked those who would play their music. This was very much in tune with the prevalent belief of the 1980s of satanic propagation through recorded music, as many rock bands made open references to satanism in their work.

Thanks for any help, if you remember it, or know where to find a possible source. -- Stbalbach 14:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I remember a SINGLE article (published in El Vocero, no less...) that said something to this effect. Definitely an urban legend. Wouldn't quote it if I were you... Demf 17:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geography/Demographics

I was wondering whether there should be Census 2000 geography/demographics info for each municipality, as in all the U.S. states? --Schzmo 14:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes there should be but not a bot-generated demographics section. It should be added to the infobox (if one exists for the article) or it should be added as prose to a demographics section. Joelito (talk) 14:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Military history of Puerto Rico

Military history of Puerto Rico is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 15:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to new WikiProject

A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 02:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 18:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

Puerto Rican American - what is this? I have never heard of this term - it should be merged into Puerto Rican --Charleenmerced Talk 20:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Charleenmerced

Ditto... Hell will be more pleasant than Disneyland to any poor soul who dares to use the term in Puerto Rico proper; at least 48% of the country will fry him or her... and I'm being objective here... Demf 20:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Assessment

Has anyone considered forming an article assessment page for Puerto Rico articles? Many other wikiprojects have them because it helps to categorize which of those articles are of the most important and the condition they are in. The assessment table can be made as a subpage of this wikiproject, and the assessment icons can be placed into the {{PuertoRicoproj}} template. An example can be found here. What do you guys think? - Mtmelendez (TALK|UB|HOME) 16:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I know. I answered your comment there too. However, I think we'll need an administrator to help us out on this one. Maybe, Joelito? - Mtmelendez (TALK|UB|HOME) 17:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Instructions on making these assessments and related pages are at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. - Mtmelendez (TALK|UB|HOME) 17:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I will make the appropiate changes so that articles can be assessed. Joelito (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Changes were made. Still pending is the creation of the categories and support pages for the assessment. I will try to create these tomorrow. Joelito (talk) 03:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not the an assessment guru, but dropping the importance Military history of Puerto Rico from "Top" importance to "High"? That I cannot understand. To give Agustin Ramos Calero an importance rate of "Low"? I read the criteria and I still don't get it. But, then I'm not so smart, the only thing that bugs me is that when a person who does not know who Agustin was and sees in the talk page that he is of "low" importance to the project, they'll ask: Then why have an artilce on him? Don't listen to my ranting I most likely don't know what I'm talking about anyway (smile). Tony the Marine 22:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Hey pueblo. I recently created three userboxes to identify by their "alma mater". Feel free to use them!! - Mtmelendez (TALK|UB|HOME) 14:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

{{User:Mtmelendez/Userboxes/PUCPR}}
This user is a graduate from the Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico.
{{User:Mtmelendez/Userboxes/UPR}}
This user is a graduate from the
University of Puerto Rico.
{{User:Mtmelendez/Userboxes/Inter}}
This user is a graduate from the
Interamerican University of Puerto Rico.
{{User:Mtmelendez/Userboxes/Colegio}}
This user is a graduate from the
UPR at Mayagüez.
Antes, Ahora y Siempre, Colegio!

Here's another one! Be my guest Tony the Marine 15:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

{{User:Marine 69-71/Userboxes/Boricua}}
This user loves Puerto Rico.
Ehem, ehem... that UPR one, is it available in green? Wink, wink... Demf 20:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll get right on it. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 01:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I have been using this one for a while, but I suppose some of you can prepare another standardized one. Let me know. Thief12 01:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
This user is an alumni of the University of Puerto Rico at Ponce




I can create it, what exactly are interested in? -凶 01:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article assessment criteria

Before we start assessing articles en-masse we should define the criteria for assessment. Joelito (talk) 13:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Check the assessment page. I've added a few criteria based on the WP:01 suggestions. I assessed alot of pages today because of the backlog, but I'll wait for your comments first before continuing. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 23:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

How could Pedro del Valle be rated "Low" in importance? My questions in regard to the Military history of Puerto Rico and Agustin Ramos Calero have yet to be addressed. Look, the low importance ratings stick out like a sore thumb. The majority of the wikiprojects do not address the importance ratings, such as the Military project. If I'm going to work my butt off researching and writing a damn good article to only have this stated in its talk page: "This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.", then the hell with it, I don't want any part in this project. Tony the Marine 00:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time out

I want you all to read and enjoy an inspirational article (at least I felt very inspired when I wrote it) I believe that this is a fantastic untold story. Read the story of Sylvia Mendez and enjoy. Tony the Marine 02:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC nomination

I have self-nominated Puerto Ricans in World War II for FA. The article passed FAC peer review and I believe that it is a story that needs to be told. The nomination is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Puerto Ricans in World War II. I will keep my fingers crossed. Tony the Marine 20:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Medal or Barnstar?

While the graphic is like a medal, the star is obviously a barnstar, and the wikipedia tradition is about giving barnstars, not medals. Also "National Merit" sounds a bit militaristic. Could we rename? Discuss!--Cerejota 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Email to try an get an image

I wrote this email to Bill Wilk, Executive Director of the Roberto Clemente Sports City, to try and see if we can get an image that we cna publish. I know it was a bit long-winded, but I thought an introduction to our project and rules was needed.

Mr. Bill Wilk,
I write to you as one of the thousands of editors of the online free encyclopedia Wikipedia http://www.wikipedia.org/ . I participate mostly in the English version of the encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/ . As you might know, we are a unique user-edited encyclopedia, that harnesses the power of its own users, and using consensus building, seek to build the world's largest encyclopedia, in as many languages as possible.
(If you wish, you can learn more about what we are - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About -)
I write to you because as part of my editing, I belong to group of diverse editors who volunteer with something called the "WikiProject Puerto Rico" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PUR -. In browsing our "To Do" list I realized there is an outstanding request for a picture of the great Roberto Clemente in his page at -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Clemente
As a responsible endeavour, we refrain from using photographs or text that cannot be republished under our GNU Free Documentation License. This includes the requirement that all images conform to a series of legal standards, among those that they fit the criteria for fair use under copyright laws or are public domain, or that explicit permission is given by the copyright owner to republish on wikipedia, wikimedia, and other related non-profit information projects.
This is why I take the liberty of writing to you: your website contains a series of images of Roberto Clemente. Since their copyright and ownership status is not clear, other editors have refrained form using them.
However I do humbly request permission to either republish one of the images already on the website, or that you provide some sort of assistance in helping us locate a suitable, legally-cleared, publishable image of Roberto Clemente for our article.
I appreciate you taking time from your busy schedule to read this email, as well as well as in the name of my fellow editors at Wikipedia.
Sincerely,
Cxxx xxx

cerejota@xxx

--Cerejota 03:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

My email bounced as "email full". Webform failed. :( I will try calling the office and see what's up.--Cerejota 03:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Issues concerning our "Municipios" pages

I was recently adding the project's template to some of these pages and noticed some mayor issues in some, for some reason most of the pages had the municipal flag and seal images dead, most of them needed cleanup and formating among many other things. I feel the need to create a Task Force within this project to focus on improving said pages, I post this here to know what fellow members of the project think and to know who might be interested in joining the Task Force, thanks for your time. -凶 16:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goleta English and policies.

Many of the pages on Puerto Rico have very serious quality, notability, and sourcing issues. I recently successfully nominated one such article "Goleta English" for deletion, on this basis alone.

I suggest we get our act together in this respect.

"Goleta English" was an egregious example: while it is a common slang term, maybe even an epithet use to insult people with pronunciation issues, and sources do use it in this form (ie El Nuevo Dia), the article alluded to the term as if it where an academic term, comparing it to pidgins, attempting to mention so-called "rules" of pronunciation, etc etc etc. That was entirely OR. Its use as slang and/or epithet might belong in Wikipedia on a list of such terms, but it has not been seriously researched because it is not a linguistic phenomenon, like Spanglish.

Please understand that Wikipedia has rules and guidelines which are not optional, and just because you think you know something, it doesn't mean that knowledge belongs here.

Please read the five pillars of wikipedia, and pay particular attention to no original research, reliable sources, verifiability, and notability.

As a general rule, if you have a publication or reliable website to back it up you can write it in wikipedia, but if you don't, you can't, even if you are 100% sure it is correct. I know that is hard, but I will continue random AfDs based on lack of sources and the massive inclusion of original research.

--Cerejota 12:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polytechnic University of Puerto Rico

I have had to remove a copyvio from Polytechnic University of Puerto Rico four times now, copied word for word from the University's web page. My latest edit was to remove an entire paragraph of how wonderful the school is. This article needs some close scrutiny from more than one pair of eyes. Corvus cornix 20:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] El Vocero

I think this article needs a little improvement, more history I guess.. Wachapon2 02:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Add the article about El Mundo newspaper to that list. I tried to organize it a little, but it could use a lot of help from someone with more knowledge about the subject. Thief12 00:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doubt

Should those Puertoricans born in the USA still carry the acute accents in their Spanish names/surnames? Perhaps they don't want it... Do you know if there is any Wikipedia ruling on that? Thanks ¡Larga vida a Puerto Rico! --Damifb 18:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

English Wikipedia in general discourages the use of accents and special characters as part of the main article, becuase it encourages the use of English (WP:ENGLISH). Usually accented names are re-directed to a version without the accents, and the real, accented name explained in the text. However Spanish wikipedia is the other way around. These of course are style recommendations, and not rules, so you will find exceptions. Mind you, this doesnt just apply to Spanish, but to all languages in roman script which use accents, and languages in other scripts fare worse, as they actually have to be written in roman script. Personally, I like the way its arranged. Thanks! --Cerejota 22:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor Infobox

I replaced the infobox on the Rafael "Churumba" Cordero Santiago article using the template found on most American mayors, but I wonder if it looks right. The article had another user-designed infobox, but I decided to replace it for standardization. What do you think? Check the article's talk page too. Thief12 00:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine. We should probably do that to all of the articles about mayors. --Boricuaeddie 00:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I will work on one for Puerto Rico... We use a different municipality structure than that of most of the USA, this allow to join with the district information etc. I am very much interested in incresing the factual information on politics in Wikiproject Puerto Rico. Thanks!--Cerejota 21:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Let me know when you have one ready. I had already replaced the infoboxes for other mayors (Ramón Luis Rivera Jr., William Miranda Marín, Francisco Zayas Seijo). When the infobox is ready, I can help you put the right one in all the mayor articles around here. Thief12 01:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University project

I commented this to Tony a few days back (please read here) and I think its good to know what the rest of the project thinks about it, if we are going to get this ready for this semester's start we must begin working with it, please read the original proposal and comment about it, any ideas for improvent are also welcome. -凶 01:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a wonderful idea. We need more Puerto Rican editors. Are you sure the professors would be willing to do it? --Boricuaeddie 01:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
From my experience proffesors are fond of Wikipedia, I was assigned to look for information here a few times during the last semester, I just need someone to contact a proffesor in the island and convince him/her to create an account here so we can cordinate the entire project, wich is the only part I can't help with since my house is in Orlando. I will begin working with a sub page for it tommorow so we can start a rotation of the articles by priority, I'm really fired up about this project just considering the possibilities (30 or more GAs per semester) is inspiring enought for it to get a shot, thanks for the feedback. -凶 02:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I think its a great idea. There ar ein fact more than a few professors who have bio articles here, so that might be a good "hook". Thanks!--Cerejota 21:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Are there some within WikiProject Puerto Rico? if there are I will be very grateful if you could point me towards their direction, cheers! -凶 01:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dominican illegal immigration to Puerto Rico

This article is of extremely bad quality, and further more was renamed from Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico, which should be its topic even if it isn't. It is included in the immigration series, however it is the only one of these articles to not focus on the wider issues around transcultural immigration, but only on the very specific one of illegal immigration.

We need to give it a high priority, and fix it because as it stands it is a disgrace: dominican immigration to Puerto Rico for the most part has been legal, and has even been cross-cultural (ie there was a significant migration from puerto rico to the dominican republic in the 19th century, which kept traveling back and forth.

I certainly expect that the information be presented in a reliably sourced manner, with no original research, and with an un-biased presentation of our DOminican brothers and sisters. Thanks!--Cerejota 22:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

To those interested, the article "Puerto Ricans in NASA" has been placed for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puerto Ricans in NASA Tony the Marine 00:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I cannot believe the accusations launched against you! I think some people are letting their deletionist agenda with regards to nationalities get in the way of rational thought. They again, I am sometimes harsh ;). Thanks! --Cerejota 00:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who is Puerto Rican?

Here is something that I found interesting. Fellow Boricua states that if you are not born in Puerto Rico, you are not Puerto Rican, See: User talk:Entre-Nos even if your parents are Puerto Rican and you identify yourself as such. In other words people such as Sunshine Logrono, Wilfred Benitez, Edgar Martinez, Jennifer Lopez, Marc Anthony so on and so forth are not Puerto Ricans. He believes that it would be offensive for the "Real" Puerto Rican actors to have actors of Puerto Rican descent under the category "Puerto Rican Actors".

I don't know, but I have always considered myself a "Boricua" and have enbrced my heritage, even though I was born in the U.S. and would feel offended if someone stated the contrary. I'm not the only one, you ask most persons of PR descent in the U.S. "What are you?" and they would answer "Yo soy Boricua". Otherwise, there wouldn't be a "Puerto Rican Day Parade" in New York, Orlando or anywhere else where there is a large concentration of Puerto Ricans.

Therefore, I ask all of you "Who is Puerto Rican?" and can you help me and User: Entre-Nos understand the meaning of the word "Puerto Rican" Thank you. Tony the Marine 01:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Entre-Nos:

The equation to know who is Boricua is easy, if you have Puerto Rican heritage and you feel proud of being Puerto Rican you are Puerto Rican, regardless of where you are born, I doubt the "real" Puerto Rican actors would be offended, a good example provided by Tony is Sunshine Logroño here you have a man that was born in the US but has done a lot for the local actors, hey he's even a nacionalist. I don't think that Benicio Del Toro would be offended by people like him being classified as Puerto Rican. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This is an interesting question, and one that I will admit there is debate about. Certainly there are differences between the cultural evolution of the Puerto Rican diaspora and the island-born Puerto Ricans, but these are much less important than the commonalities, and ultimately are not that different.
However, sociologically, Puerto Ricans are generally viewed as a diaspora culture, similar in a sense to the Jewish people: even Christian Jews remain Jewish, and Jews from the world-over, regardless of citizenship or culture they where born. An Argentinian Jew probably is more into soccer and speaks Spanish with seseo, and a Brooklyn Jew likes baseballs and speaks yiddish-inflected English, but I am willing to bet they both can muster a few words of Modern Hebrew and find much more in common with each other than with their surrounding cultures.
This sociologically accepted view is challenged by political discourse: there is a certain extreme strain of political nationalism that meets on the other side of the coin with a extreme form of annexationism: one denies that the Nation spans borders and even national origin, the other engages in a full denial of the national identity. One narrowly defines Puerto Rican as one who is born in Puerto Rico to Puerto Rican parents. The other speaks - without irony and with a straight face - of "Puerto Rican-Americans".
(Both face the paradox of not calling Puerto Rican an old man selling carne frita con mofongo on Third avenue between 115th and 114th streets in New York City. If that man found out this was the case, it would probably a rosario de la aurora worthy of a front page in El Vocero. But I digress...)
But even outside of the extremes politics play a role: Puerto Rico - arguably the homeland of the Nation - is not independent. This creates a deep political implication for what should be a sociological questions. For example, is a Dominican born and raised in Santurce, is he Puerto Rican? What if he is pro-Statehood? Arguably if he self-identifies as Dominican, the debate is over. Or is it? Could he be similar to those who deny being Puerto Ricans in spite of a huge mancha de platano in their face? Those are question muddied by the lack of independence.
Likewise, if Puerto Rico where a State, would the nation cease to exist? Here other diasporic cultures (Jews, Cape-verdians, et al) have one up: their homelands are clearly defined as separate nations, in spite most of them living outside of their homeland. This is also a question muddied by politics: some advocates of statehood will argue the nation would still exist, as cultural nation. Pro-independence and pro-commonwealth advocates will declare it the death of the nation. But are the Chicano, Americans? Are the Mormons of Deseret, Americans? Is the Seminole, Algonquin, Lakota, etc, American?
I, of course, have opinions on the political questions, but will reserve them for the most part: this is not a soapbox. I will say that I agree with the generally accepted sociological view, and say that the view that Puerto Ricans are defined by a narrow geography rather than a broad cultural allegiance is crap - caca. ;)
I have personal reasons to say this: my mother was born in the USA from American parents, raised by them in an english speaking household in Mayagüez since she was five years old. She went to a bilingual high school and to college in Harvard. However, having lived without interruption in Puerto Rico since 1971, and having married my dad and raised two children in Puerto Rico, and having been a political prisioner and activist, I triple dare anyone to question her being Puerto Rican. To her face. That would certainly make the front page of El Vocero. :P
I am sorry for the long note, but take it a sign of respect for the various opinions on the topic, however outlandish I might find some of them.
BTW Benicio del Toro was born and raised in Puerto Rico, and only in his teens moved to the USA. I can say - de buena tinta - he feels Puerto Rican , but he doesn't want to be "used" as a symbol, an unfortunate tendency we have ;). Thanks!--Cerejota 04:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Oopps! when I said "him" in that sentence I meant Logroño, the full stop was added to avoid a run-on sentence. ¿Mancha de platano? uy! those are the worst :) - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

If being born in Puerto Rico were a precondition to being Puerto Rican, three of the past four PR Senate presidents would be aliens! Rexach Benítez and Charlie Rodríguez wre born in the States and would be considered "Yankees", McClintock would then have to be classified a "Tory" since he was born in London!Pr4ever 14:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was taught that a Puerto Rican is a person who is a mixture of three races: African, Taino, and Spanish. But I don't necessarily agree with that. I believe a Puerto Rican is also someone who is a descendant of a "true" Puerto Rican, or someone who has lived for a long time in the island and feels as if he/she is a part of its people. --Boricuaeddie 14:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Thats interesting, and certainly a necessary part of founding the National History (it was political nationalism which first formulated this, and made part of our history by Albizu's formulation of the Dia de la Raza). However, the sourced research in Wikipedia clearly shows that it is a limited view, in particular concerning the simplification of the African and Spanish heritage. What about the "moorish" ancestry? Our the huge influx of Irish in the mid and late 18th century that curiously coincides with the first strong self-references to "Puerto Ricans" as unique Nation, rather than as subjects of Spain (Our first representative to Spain was an Irish/French, Ramon Power y Giralt!)? What about the Jewish ancestry? Or the overwhelming amount of Corsicans who came to define our modern identity? What about Roberto Cofresi (whose page needs fixing and I am sourcing for it), who first flew a Puerto Rican flag as part of the gunrunning operation for Simon Bolivar? His mother was certainly Spanish (And from a hugely important family), but if you accept either version of who was his father you accept he was not a Spaniard.
Even the French (not Spanish!) education of our founding fathers (Betances specially) is huge influence in our intellectual construction!
This why even tho we need to work more in hour immigration articles to bring them up to speed, I don't list them for AfD: people interested in Puerto Rican culture, including many Puerto Ricans who do not understand their heritage, need to see how complex it really is.
Lastly, I find extremely outdated any views that use "race" as a standard of nationality: our culture is one of racial mixture, and speaking of a distinct Puerto Rican race is impossible. Thanks! --Cerejota 18:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Copied from my talk:Entre-Nos:

  • Hi, Caribbean H.Q., thanks for adding your comments; welcome. In Benicio del Toro's case, of course he wouldn't be offended being classified as Puerto Rican, because he is Puerto Rican; he was born and raised in Santurce, Puerto Rico, and his first language is spanish, as Rita Moreno Humacao, Puerto Rico, Joaquin Phoenix San Juan, Puerto Rico, Holly Woodlawn Juana Diaz, Puerto Rico, Renoly Santiago Lajas, Puerto Rico, Raul Julia San Juan, Puerto Rico, and Jose Ferrer San Juan, Puerto Rico. In Sunshine Logroño's case you may be right, but still, he was born in New York, and should be proud of this. I love New York and I wasn't born there. No one should be offended because he or she wasn't born in Puerto Rico, on the contrary, if they feel Puerto Rican, fine, but still, they're not as Victoria Cartagena Pensylvania, whose Puerto Rican descent isn't stated, Lana Parrilla Brooklyn, William Hernandez NYC, John Leguizamo Colombia, Justina Machado Chicago, and Rachel Ticotin Bronx, whose mother in from P.R. but her father is Jewish, among many others. There's no problem with these actors being featured in the right category, but they should be classified where they belong, as simple as that. There should be a category where they could be featured as actors from Puerto Rican descent, but shouldn't be listed as Puerto Rican actors because they're really not. Puerto Rican's first language is spanish, and in many cases, actors listed in this category don't even know spanish as Chita Rivera Washington. When she's performed in Puerto Rico, she has to be interviewed in english, because she doesn't know a word of spanish, even though her mother or father is Puerto Rican. I love and admire Chita, she's awesome, but the issue is not about these actor's talents or fame, it's if they're really Puerto Rican or not. This is a very interesting topic, and it should be discussed, not debated, as my guide and master Tony the Marine stated. At least, we can listen to different opinions in good faith, and that's a great exercise. Thanks again for your opinion, Caribbean H.Q. Looking forward hearing more from you. Welcome to my talk-page. Best regards:--Entre-Nos 19:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, indeed it is an interesting subject and the best part about our discussion is that we are conducting it in a civil manner.

Generally speaking it is correct to say that if you are born in Puerto Rico, you are Puerto Rican even if it is "by Birth". In other words you can be a Puerto Rican and not a so-called "Hispanic". Am I right? Does not the public and media in general embrace those who have a Puerto Rican heritage, but were born somewhere else. as their own? For example: "El Boricua Edgar Martinez, dio un hit" or "El Boricua" Wilfred Benitez gano tres coronas". These are examples of what you would read in the newspapers. Samething goes on in other forms of the media such as the television where a person of Puerto Rican descent who accomplishes something will be referred to as "El Boricua". Are people of Puerto Rican descent considered Puerto Ricans if the general public in Puerto Rico embrace them as such?

If Rita Moreno is placed under the category "Puerto Rican actors", wouldn't it be also correct to place her under the category "American actors" since all Puerto Ricans are American citizens?

This is interesting. When Greece needed people to compete for them in the Olympics, they decided to apply something similiar to the "one drop rule" and gave any athlete who had at least one Greek grandparent Greek citizenship. This atracted many Greek-American athletes who did not qualify to represent the U.S. I mention this because there are many people born in the U.S. who are classified as "Puerto Ricans" (similar to the one drop rule) by society and therefore identify themsleves as such even though they are "American by birth". My question is the following: Is a person a Puerto Rican only by right of birth? Does a person who was born somewhere else who feels proud of his heritage and who indentifies as a Puerto Rican and who the general public embraces as such, be a Puerto Rican?

Don't worry about answering the questions, because this is a discussion and on my behave I'm a "Boricua" 100% no matter what anyone says. Tony the Marine 21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think speaking Spanish should be a requsite, there are several people that represent Puerto Rico proudly where they go and know little or no Spanish, for example Carmelo Antrone Lee he knows very little Spanish but he is a member of the National team now on that same line I don't know if I would classify Carmelo Anthony as Puerto Rican even if he has the Puerto Rican flag tatooed in his right hand. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Regardless, and not to devert the issue, Anthony is half Puerto Rican, I believe that it is on his mothers side. Anyway, I have a suggestion:

Suggestion

The "List of Puerto Ricans" has an introduction that clearly states that it is a list of Puerto Ricans born in Puerto Rico or of people of Puerto Rican descent. Since the delentionists would surely delete a "Category: Puerto Rican Americans", why not add a similar intro like the LoPR's to the categories? This way it can be made clear that the "Category: Puerto Rican actors" (for example), includes the names of those who are of Puerto Rican descent. This way we can avoid a future debate and the "real" Puerto Rican actors and the "not real" Puerto Rican actors will not be offended. It is easy to do. Plus, we would be safe from the little gang of deletionists who want to delete anything that they consider an ethnicity. EX:

"This category lists actors and actresses of stage, cinema, television who were born in Puerto Rico or people who are of Puerto Rican ancestry."

How does that sound? Tony the Marine 00:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


  • This would be like discussing about biological and adoptive parents. Being born in a place doesn't necessarily make you a native of that place. Let's say a pregnant tourist from Slovenia gives birth while visiting Puerto Rico and then takes the child back to her hometown, and that kid never sees Puerto Rico again, does that make him/her a Puerto Rican? Consider that people like Logroño, and some of the others mentioned were either raised here or in a cultural environment equivalent to Puerto Rico (say New York, or something along that line). Thief12 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ramón Emeterio Betances

Congratulations to everyone involved on having the Betances article reach the FA status. Cheers! Thief12 16:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Messina

Hey guys - this Puerto Rican poet was featured on the New York Times on Saturday (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/29/nyregion/29poet.html?_r=1&oref=slogin). I'm going to be interviewing him for Wikinews; unfortunately I have no time to do a Wikipedia article about him, but he really has quite a bit of stuff on him on the Internet. Might be worth a stub for the Project. --David Shankbone 02:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ask him about some hard to find information (early life, family, education, that sort of thing) in your interview and I can produce a B-class article with that and what is found on the internet :) - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Will do. --David Shankbone 03:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oops - my bad, he's not Puerto Rican! Doh! I can't for the life of me figure out why I thought he was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidShankBone (talk • contribs) 14:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rican Spindalis GAC on hold

Hey. I just reviewed Puerto Rican Spindalis and put it on hold. I just wanted to let this project know. There are some notes on the talk page if anyone wants to look at them. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow 16:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy-related translation issue

Can you all please look at Edward Low and the translation issue I raise at the bottom of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Edward Low? It requires someone who speaks Spanish and has a knowledge of the older piracy terms; something is wrong with the translations given even by reliable sources, and it needs a stronger reliable source and sorting out of the correct term that was used "back then". Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Joelito. Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot

Hi, I have made a new feed for the New Article bot. The bot reads all the new articles for a day and puts suspected PuertoRico-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/PuertoRicoSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant. Or whatever you want to do with them.

The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/PuertoRico, there is also the log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/PuertoRicoLog explaining the rules that sent an article to the search results (the log is cleared every day, so try to look into the history of the log). Please contact me if you are interested in the fine tuning of the rules

That is all. Any suggestions are welcome.

I have transcluded the results to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Puerto_Rico/articles Alex Bakharev 02:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ongoing PDP investigation

With the controversial US Justice Department investigation into Aníbal Acevedo Vilá's administration, editing in PDP related articles is bound to heat up. There are rumors that indictments may come down as early as this Thursday, Nov 15, so we need to be on our toes to remove any unsourced and POV edits. Consider expanding you wathlist, and when news do arise add them to articles in a neutral and sourced way. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 01:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, maybe now I can get the 25 remaining articles to reach a thousand watchlisted pages. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish names

Hi there. I was editing the article on Pete "El Conde" Rodriguez and was wondering if there is any convention on the spelling of that surname in the English Wikipedia. I have a CD of another Pete Rodriguez for whom I intend on starting an article, and in the inserts the Spanish version spells it Rodríguez and the English just Rodriguez. The article I linked currently uses both so I thought I ought to establish which one should be used when. BigBlueFish (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Rodriguez is a common name both in Spanish and in English. WP:MOS suggests we use titles without diacritics wherever practical, but it is not required to do so. Some users like to be faithful to the original Spanish name, but it is not necessary since the pronunciation in both Spanish and English is the same, or at least very similar. However, some Spanish names may be spelled with diacritics since it may have different pronunciations in Spanish, English, or both, such as Mayagüez. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 22:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It is based on what is used, on what the person is known by in English. The spelling is the property of an individual person (or place, whatever), not of a surname. Gene Nygaard (talk) 23:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Puerto Rican migrations

Hello. I would like to request a collapsible option for this template, and/or a wider frame. The vertical height is a bit too much as a footer. Thanks. —Viriditas | Talk 14:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this request. I have redesigned the template as a collapsible footer. Any thoughts? Joelito (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Community, I received the following message from "User talk:Buster germanson" in my talk page"

"Mr. Tony: A person who apparently doesn't understand this subject matter is proposing many mergers about PR-related articles. Have you seen this and the others? Agradeciendole, Buster germanson (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)"

I personally am against a merger. I believe that the article "Puerto Rican Independence Movement", with a some work can evolve into a great article. I am posting this here because Many of you have contributed to Puerto Rican articles and I believe that the parties interested should be aware and have a say in the matter. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Well come on people, comments anyone? I would like to know the opinions of those who signed up for this project. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in World Wrestling Council Article

Hi. I'm a good person who likes contributing in Professional Wrstling Corporation in my country, Puerto Rico I'm trying to actualize this article (World Wrestling Council article), but someone with the ip 24.139.163.230. If are you, so please stop. I want to the world knows the truth about all of my Puertorrican Wrestler and their corporations. Thanks!!!

Just find a referencing source for the information and we will back you up. ~RayLast «Talk!» 21:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I also agree with RayLast, we will help you as long as you cite reliable verifiable sources as required by policy. Remember to always sign your posts with ~~~~. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Volunteering for Graphic Designer

I am volunteering as a graphics designer for the WikiProject Puerto Rico or any other effort in Wikipedia. I have noticed you have no such position assigned. Any requests you may have for the creation of illustrations, logos, images, and userboxes please let me know at my requests page. ~RayLast «Talk!» 15:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deserted

It has been awfully quiet around WikiProject Puerto Rico. It seems a lot of people have abandoned their efforts. I myself, still feel like a newbie and unable to do all that still needs to be done. Maybe I just need more encouragement caused by witnessing activity in this project. Where is everybody? ~RayLast «Talk!» 18:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

No, we just prefer directly chating on user talk pages instead of here but a lot of the project members are active, I am partially active due to mid-terms but should be back fulltime soon. - Caribbean~H.Q. 19:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd also like to be an active participant but there have been no updates on the page so I'm not really sure if there's people still working on this or not. --Madgirl 15 (talk) 04:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
This page isn't used that often, however Tony, Marcos, David, Mistman, Joel and me are quite active, Antonio and Eddie are active from time to time and other users such as Negron21 are constantly editing articles under their expertise. Your participation is very welcomed. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity vs Nationality in the lead sentence

Good day folks. I am trying to correct biographies in the regards to ethnicity in the lead sentence per WP:MOSBIO. I am sure this has been discussed before. Is there a certain consensus that has formed? Can people please look at my edits and advise. It seems that persons born in the United States should be considered Americans? Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, some of us have looked at your well intentioned edits, however I must point out that "Puerto Rican" is not "ethnicity" as the term 'Hispanic' would be. Puerto Rican is a nationality which is determined by the nationality of one's descent (parents). Birthright citizenship is the term used for Jus soli as it is applied under US law. Therefore, there is nothing wrong in stating in a person's article that said person is an "American" of "Puerto Rican" descent.

People born in Puerto Rico automatically have dual nationality: Puerto Rican and American. Puerto Rico follows the Jus soli law (the right of the soil or the land) meaning that one’s nationality is determined by the place of one's birth.

History of Puerto Rican Nationality

On October 25, 2006, the Puerto Rican State Department declared the existence of the Puerto Rican nationality (see: Juan Mari Bras). Puerto Rican nationality was recognized in 1898 after Spain ceded the island to the United States as a result of the Spanish-American War. In 1917, the United States granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship without the requirement that the islanders renounce their PR citizenship. Since then, everyone born in Puerto Rico are both Puerto Ricans and U.S. citizens. There is no need to renounce since Puerto Ricans do not need a passport to go to the mainland and have the same rights and can participate in every activity as U.S. citizens.[1][2]

There is a common misconception that all Puerto Ricans are of Hispanic background. The confusion stems from people automatically associating the term 'Puerto Rican' (nationality) with the term 'Hispanic' (ethnicity). Even though the primary ethnicity in Puerto Rico is Hispanic,[3] there are numerous other ethnic groups which make up the Puerto Rican nationality. There are many Puerto Ricans of African, Corsican, French, Irish, German, Chinese, Dutch and Lebanese descent, among others.[4]

Laws Concerning Citizenship/Nationality

The modern world is divided up into nations with each nation, at least nominally, exercising control over its own territory and the people who reside within that territory. Among modern nations, citizenship at birth is conveyed in one of two ways; either though Jus soli (the right of the soil or the land) meaning that one’s nationality is determined by the place of one's birth; or through jus sanguinis (the right of blood) where nationality is determined by the nationality of one's descent (parents). Birthright citizenship is the term used for Jus soli as it is applied under US law. [5]

Tony the Marine (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Tony, thanks for the explaination. I will try to digest this as best as possible. Just to make sure I understand, Puerto Rican is a nationality. If you are born there, you automatically have duel nationality with the US. If you are born in say Ohio and your parents are Puerto Rican, ie born there, do you automaically have Puerto Rican nationality? I am trying to understand where nationality is determined by the nationality of one's descent (parents) Per MOSBIO, if people have duel nationality, that should be mentioned in the lead. If they have only one nationality, that nationality should be mentioned in the lead and origin of descent should be listed under family section, ect it seems.--70.109.223.188 (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • In my humble opinion, I think that the best way to avoid any misunderstandings in a header of a Puerto Rican born in the U.S. (mainland) could be to post an "American" of "Puerto Rican" descent. For others interested in the issue, I would like to add that the term "Puerto Rican-American" would be inappropriate since such a term would seem more like an "ethnicity". Tony the Marine (talk) 19:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, now my head is going to explode :) I guess it boils down to what makes one a "true" Puerto Rican. If the person is "truely" Puerto Rican, then that should be in the lead. If the person is say a 1/4 Puerto Rican, ect, that should be mentioned under family section as being of Puerto Rican descent. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to nail this down abit. Thanks again, --70.109.223.188 (talk) 19:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If that person is born in the US (to put a example) as a matter of chance to Puerto Rican parents and has been living in Puerto Rico his entire life he should be classified as Puerto Rican, however if a person was born and raised in the US (or any other country) and only a fraction of his lineage is Puerto Rican then we should use "[country's nationality] of Puerto Rican" descent. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I completely agree with "Caribbean H.Q.". I think he nailed it in the head and there is no more need for heads to explode (smile). Tony the Marine (talk) 20:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More userboxes

Just to let you know that I created some userboxes related to Puerto Rico for the purpose of using them myself but I also posted them on WikiProject Puerto Rico templates so that y'all can use them as well. These are the ones I added:

Code Result
{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Wikiproject Puerto Rico}}
This user is an active member of WikiProject Puerto Rico.
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{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Borincano|he|on the}}
This user would have been
Borincano even if
he had been born on the moon!
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Note: Check the template's page for usage and other variations.
{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Taino|man}}
This user is proud to be of
Taíno descent.
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Note: Check the template's page for usage and other variations.
{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Vejigante}}
This user knows what a
Vejigante is!
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{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Coqui}}
This user misses the nocturnal
song of the Coquí
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{{User:Mistman123/Userboxes/Colegio}}
This user is a graduate from the
UPR at Mayagüez.
Antes, Ahora y Siempre, Colegio!
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Hope you like'em! ~RayLast «Talk!» 18:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested

Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)