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[edit] WP:FAR

Just thought I would inform you that I re-added Islam because the point of the review is to discuss the repeated protection of the article due to disputes which means that we are reviewing the instability of the article. Please keep Islam on the list until the review is complete Alexfusco5 03:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did you repeatedly close this because of the protection as it was the original cause of the FAR. I have started a discussion but I cannot move it back due to the bot archiving. Alexfusco5 22:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Joelr31, I edited the Puerto Rico page and added the gallery to the Administrative divisions. Compared to State articles which many of them contain a table gallery of their important cities, Puerto Rico's is extremely dry and and pretty much only text. I would still like to add a similar feature to the article whether it be in administrative, geography or what have you, but get back to me so that we can collaborate before anymore of my editing gets simply just removed, because it takes time to search picture's correct names and place them into the table. 192.195.66.48 (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The previous post was done by me before i logged in Tom Vazquez (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article review/A Tale of a Tub

Thanks for the initial note, but people are still inappropriately voting "keep" ... Cirt (talk) 19:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC).

  • I have laid out my specific points about WP:OR violations within the article in detail, and yet only one user Haukurth (talk · contribs), specifically responded to any of these points. Respectfully, I defer to your judgment and that of Marskell (talk · contribs) for the rest of the FAR proceedings. My points were already made in detail at the top of the FAR - the rest seems to be, unfortunately, just a generalized debate over things that should instead be discussed at the talk pages of either WP:OR, WP:RS, or WP:V. Cirt (talk) 21:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Can you please help at Wikipedia:Featured article review/A Tale of a Tub? There are one or two editors so far that have actually responded to the specific points that I raised - but other comments are attempting to divert the discussion from WP:OR in the article itself - to an ad hominem overgeneralization and outright negation of all of my comments as a whole! Cirt (talk) 03:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Music

Thanks Joel. I begged a few people to comment on that one and got nothing. It was bothering me. Once the reviews get passed two months, something must be done with them. Marskell (talk) 08:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Triton

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you! I've been trying to get those last few pesky citations for ages! Now I can start thinking about getting the article promoted. You're a prince. :-) Serendipodous 20:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah ha! I knew you were a spy. A vicarious thank you from me on Serendip's behalf. Passing along a paper really is a random act of kindness that can be especially helpful. Marskell (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blackface

Hey Joel. Next time you log-in and look at FAR, I'd argue against closing Blackface, even if you see removes as the most recent comments. I'm trying to be fair, because I know there's editors working. There's also been some dispute, so I'd like that to work itself out, even if it takes time. Cheers, Marskell (talk) 21:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I've hesitated asking you this...

Because you were so generous last time, but I was wondering if you could help me access this paper. I just need to know if Herschel ever calls Enceladus and Mimas anything other than "satellites". I understand if you're too busy but I really would appreciate it. Thank you. Serendipodous 19:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, thanks anyway :-) Serendipodous 07:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On "please state in talk page what claims require citations"

Joelr31, maybe we can find a reference to support the plenary powers of the US Congress and the quotation stating "postal system, social security, and mining activities and minerals, among other areas". Do you know what authoritative and reliable source this can be attribited to? CallmeDrNo (talk) 21:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I would also like a source for the "plenary powers" statement, mostly because it was added by a user that was involved in edit warring over the "Chief of state" matter and may be pov, does the Puerto Rican Constitution directly declares that the congress has "plenary powers" or is this just an assumption? personally I haven't seen the congress even employing such "power" in the island. Another thing that needs needs sourcing is the part that claims that the island's external relations are controlled by the federal government, wich may contradict a trend of actions that were hinted by the current administration, such as when it was suggested that Puerto Rico would directly buy petroleum from Venezuela and the several independent importation deals that have been promoted by Puerto Rico's government. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On "please state which statements are likely to be challenged....no need for a citation for everything"

This article cites no references, so its encyclopedic value is significantly diminished. Do you know of any sources for the claims made, or the references for the dates given? Maybe you could help me improve it if you know of them. I believe with a little research I could find one or two credible references for the dates given, but not for all the other claims made. Let me know. CallmeDrNo (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Blackface

Hard one! We've both been very generous on FAR, and "as much time as you need" has become a central feature of the place. But you have to close them eventually... Too bad, in this case. Marskell (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAR and ESRB re-rating of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

The article achieved featured article status with only three positive supporters. When it surfaced on the Main Page, it wasn't just me who doubted that it was up to the standard of a featured article. Much discussion has taken place on its talk page and at the Village Pump as to how this aberration could have happened. A review of the status of the article seems to me to be the best way to restore the standard rather than passively hoping that users will post comments on its talk page. Even if there were 100 adverse comments on the talk page, it would still be a featured article. I know it is embarrassing for an article to be reviewed so soon after its appearance on the main page but the issue shouldn't be ducked for that reason. JMcC (talk) 14:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I concur with this. The discussion should not have been broken up without warning or a clear, easily accessible explanation.--Nydas(Talk) 13:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive3

I am at a complete loss as to why this FAR was closed without making the article a featured article removal candidate. Notwithstanding that the FAR turned into a slugfest, the article has serious issues in that it's manifestly unstable, in dire need of cleanup (see SandyGeorgia's edits at the end), and has needed frequent protection. This should not be a featured article and I would urge you to reconsider. Stifle (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Stifle, please don't misrepresent me here; the article is not in dire need of cleanup (it's quite clean compared to what usually appears at FAR, but the newer editors continually insert MoS errors, which the older editors clean up). Also, please don't alter the articlehistory against consensus; it just appears in the error category. And on a final note, Raul doesn't miss anything on his talk page; there was no need to alter his talk page to call attention to this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I see Stifle has now re-added the FAR to articlehistory, causing it to appear in the error category, and going against consensus. Stifle stated that he was initially a neutral, uninvolved party; is that still the case ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify that SandyGeorgia pointed out errors on the FAR page. The opinion that the article is in dire need of cleanup is mine only. Stifle (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
And those errors were and are continually cleaned up; again, this is one of the cleanest articles I've ever seen at FAR. I'm off for the afternoon, but I should add, Stifle, that your edits against consensus really set me back in my regular work this morning. I'm concerned that you're starting fires rather than calming them, and along the way, causing a lot of extra work for other editors. Raul doesn't miss anything on his talk page; consider what that's telling you. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

It didn't seem important at first, but now I think it would be better if Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive3 were included in the Talk:Barack Obama {{ArticleHistory}}. This week at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/1 we have had debates about instability and everyone is looking for established precedents. Obviously, the most famously dynamic page right now is Barack Obama. It would be better for the paper trail permanent record if his article history was all-inclusive. Please reply at my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Joelito, the conversation is here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, heck, TonyTheTiger started this same conversation in five different places, so now it's here, with suggestions from Gimmetrow/GimmeBot that might work. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GimmeBot

Gimmetrow will be out for three days beginning 20:00 UTC April 24; if something has to be closed then, I can do it manually, but that's no fun :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Link on your user page is dead

This link on your user page is dead. I was looking forward to reading it, too! :) Gary King (talk) 07:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Puerto Rican Amazon

Sure, I'm still in the middle of a merger between the current content and more material, but the format will need to be clean when its done. By the way, do you know which book its being referenced as Forshaw, we will need to add more fields to the footnotes including author, chapter, publisher and isbn. - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that will resolve any issues with the book references, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 13:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PUR template and cats

Hey Joel, I need some of your technical help again, I just moved "Category:FL-class Puerto Rico articles" to Category:FL-Class Puerto Rico articles" since the assessment template wasn't recognizing the title with "c" instead of "C" however the template in the articles are still recognizing the former title, the template format will need to be tweaked a bit. - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:LOTD

List of Puerto Rican birds was selected as a WP:LOTD for one day in June and will be the LOTD during the month. Let me know before May 23rd if you have any date preferences.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] WP:LOTD

It has already been scheduled at Wikipedia:List of the day/June 2008.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)