Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New South Wales/Archive1

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Contents 1 Adding parameter to WikiProject Australia 2 stub template 3 Project directory 4 Wikipedia Day Awards 5 Renaming project 6 Renaming/rescoping 7 Riverina 8 "Hunter region" vs "Hunter Valley" 9 Formatting

[edit] Adding parameter to WikiProject Australia

I am investigating adding a parameter to WP Australia for Outback NSW=yes Garrie 02:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stub template

I take it that is only a mock-up of what the template should look like. Could you go ahead and create it? I'm not sure how... 8-( Garrie 03:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Propose it here first before making it: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals. They'll help you out in making it if meets the requirements of a stub - Nomadic1 11:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming project

Given the advent of Australian state projects (WA, VIC and TAS, so far), perhaps it would be worthwhile to utilise this project for a broader Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales? Such a project would include the area already covered, but would broaden the scope to also cover other non-metropolitan areas in New South Wales (the metropolitan areas being already covered by WikiProject Sydney and WikiProject Lake Macquarie). Would there be any reasonable objections to this?--cj | talk 13:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

This was a proposed project - initially GoldenWattle and I were tossing around getting contributions to (from my viewpoint) a region around the NSW Riverina. But lack of interest / failed promotion saw little eventuate...Garrie 07:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming/rescoping

Have renamed accordingly and redone the front page. I'd like to get a few people involved and see if we can get the front page fixed up and get this thing going properly. Will look into once I come off wikibreak :) Orderinchaos 06:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina

It appears that the New South Wales project is about to become a reality. Well done to those involved. How do others see the Riverina project fitting in with this one. Is Riverina a child of this project? Should Riverina articles be assessed for NSW and Riverina projects or will this filter up to the NSW project? Not knowing enough about how projects are put together I don't really have an opinion at this stage. -- Mattinbgn/ ^talk 23:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know it has two parents - NSW and Places - much like the city ones. Currently the focus with NSW is with incorporating places that are orphaned from any mid-low level project, and with things which relate to the entire State such as government organs, statewide organisations and politics, and local government areas. Orderinchaos 00:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Hunter region" vs "Hunter Valley"

There was some discussion over at WP:WSS/P about the difference between the Hunter region, and the Hunter Valley. As I understand it, the former is an officially-defined region for statistical and quango-ish purposes, being defined as an agglomeration of council areas; and the latter is a more informal term, corresponding to at least roughly the same area. But the latter is completely unsourced, and being not at all familiar with NSW, I could be quite mistaken. Can someone knowledgeable look at these articles with a view to refactoring, cross-referencing, and sourcing? Alai 18:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You are almost right. As a native of "the Hunter" I can say that your definition of "Hunter region" is correct. The "Hunter valley", although, is generally used to cover a smaller area - mostly using the geographical definition (i.e. the land around where the Hunter River and its tributaries flow). Even though Newcastle is situated at the mouth of the Hunter, it is not normally included in the definition "Hunter Valley". But it does include a lot of smaller "country" cities (Maitland, Cessnock, Scone, etc.). Similarly, Lake Macquarie is not in the Hunter Valley, but it belongs to the Hunter region.
I have no references for this, only many years of personal experience :)
Just to add a bit more confusion, the term "Newcastle/Hunter" is sometimes used - this is identical to "Hunter region" - 52 Pickup 07:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

There's definitely scope for improvement in the articles for both, one's basically a short list and the other is, well, in need of help. :) Orderinchaos 09:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, but I can't promise anything in the short term. Working on Aussie stuff isn't so easy for me any more, since I left there a couple of years ago and so I concentrate more on my new home. Plus I can see that I'll have to take a long break from Wikipedia very soon. - 52 Pickup 11:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I was telling someone recently that the big thing about Wikipedia is that it *is* a volunteer endeavour, no-one's obliged to do anything and people contribute as much or as little as they're able to do or have the desire to do at any given time. I contribute a lot because I'm a uni student and have a lot of loose ends, but that will probably be *very* different next year when I'm fully employed and my days are taken up preparing for the next. Best of luck with it and if you need anything just shout :) Orderinchaos 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I'll just put it on my long list of things to do. Working on far too many things at once is a good thing - if you're running stale, you can then switch to something completely different. It's a quiet period for me at the moment, but next month I'll be changing jobs and moving to another country, so spare time will come down to zero. Also, it's summer here at the moment, which is another distraction :) - 52 Pickup 18:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

Hope nobody minds but I decided the original format of the front page was unmaintainable (works for a portal, not so well for a WP) so subst'd it back in, got rid of the pretty boxes (apart from the header) and created a heading system and TOC. Have left old page for Participants intact for edit history/summary purposes. Orderinchaos 09:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Better to keep project pages at low maintenance. - 52 Pickup 11:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The portal style are good for getting people in, but don't really encourage participation IMO, and plus it was getting too difficult to maintain them as they were. Orderinchaos 18:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

True, portals always look to me a little set in stone. For project layout, maybe you should make more use of {{WPAustralia Navigation}}. It has links to all other Aussie projects and clearly shows that each subproject is not totally isolated. I maintain WikiProject Former countries and the sidebar there is pretty handy for taking care of this. - 52 Pickup 18:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)