Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latinos

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[edit] About WikiProject Latinos

[edit] Scope?

Should the scope be reworded? Feel free to make suggestions on all aspects of this WikiProject.--JuanMuslim 1m 03:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All this is wrong

Al consideraros a vosotros mismos latinos asumo que habláis castellano.

Tansolo quería deciros que promocionar terminología como latino, hispanic, etc, me parece fatal, porque no refleja la verdad, sino una realidad inventada. Lo que estáis haciendo con todo ésto es fomentar el mal uso de estos términos, mal uso iniciado e incitado por la ignorancia anglosajona.

Además monopolizáis los artículos, como el de Hispanic, donde apenas se habla sobre las gentes y culturas que hay en España, estando el artículo centrado casi en su totalidad en los mal llamados latinos de los Estados Unidos.

Con todo ésto, en vez de corregir la ignorancia anglosajona, lo que estáis haciendo es fomentarla, añadiendo además la vuestra. Estáis alienando, excluyendo a los verdaderos hispanos de ESPAÑA.

Sinceramente, este proyecto, en vez de hacer pedagogía en positivo, solo contribuye a fomentar los tópicos.

Hoy en día un español ya nisiquiera se puede considerar hispano cuando va por ahí por culpa de todo ésto.

Onofre Bouvila 01:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definitions

[edit] Latinos & Mexican-Americans

I know this is a stupid question, and I apologize. But can you tell me what the difference is between the scope of this project and the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexican-Americans? It seems to me that we shouldn't have two Projects covering the same territory, as that leads to an unhealthy form of competition. Badbilltucker 20:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Latinos include Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, etc. --JuanMuslim 1m 00:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Related

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 20:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Projects

[edit] Open Tasks

Open tasks for WikiProject Latinos
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Top priorities
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Cleanup /
Wikify
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Missing articles
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Expansion
  • Latino culture
  • Latino literature
  • Latino art
[edit ] Merges [edit ] Discussions [edit ] Maps, Pictures, Timelines etc.
  • List of Hispanics
[edit ] POV and disputed articles [edit ] Vandalism
  • Offer you suggestions here!
  • Offer you suggestions here!


[edit] {{Latino}} template

I think the questions of colors and images are secondary at this point. Right now we should be trying to determine whether or not the template is merited. Are there enough articles to add into it to make it useful? What articles should it be placed on? What benefit will it provide to readers of the encyclopedia? What are its parameters? Will it apply to all of Latin America or just Latinos in the United States? These are the questions we should be discussing right now. And to be frank, it doesn't seem like it will do much good at this point. Once the parameters are determined, then we can get started on writing articles that pertain to Latinos as a whole. The template should be like a finishing touch to enhance to a body of articles, not an outline to determine what needs to be written.--Rockero 20:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Any project, such as this template, can be broken down into a number of smaller projects – the presentation and the content or substance, but yes, how it looks is less important than the content. I would love to see a template for Latino/Hispanic topics that is as eye appealing and as useful as the template for African-American topics, especially with the growing number of Latinos within the United States. The purpose of a Wikipedia template is to make navigation easier, and certainly there needs be an effective way to navigate through the complex web of Latino related articles, and I think that in time the template will achieve that goal.
The template should be about Latinos living in the United States. If you ask a Venezuelan off the street of Venezuela if he’s a Latino, he’ll say he’s Venezuelan or Latin American. The terms Hispanic and Latino aren’t used by most Latin Americans. A separate template could also be created for Latin Americans if someone desires to make one. I’d like to focus on seeing a Latino template. The Latino/Hispanic template could state “Latinos / Hispanics in the U.S” below the image that will be selected.
For our own purposes, whether the Latinos are descendents or immigrants to the U.S. is less important. There needs to be a template that represents all these people who are Latinos and Hispanics. Therefore, when discussing Latino history, the article would include the history of all Latinos including Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, etc. The history article might include bits and interesting facts about the various Latin American countries. We, Mexican-Americans, make up over 75% of the Latino population, and thus, the history, etc about us will dominate many Latino related articles, but that doesn’t mean that our Mexican-American history is synonymous with Latino history.
I think that the Latino template can give us a bit of a direction. Unfortunately, the template reveals the important articles that Wikipedia needs about Latinos. The Latino / Hispanic template needs to be tweaked that is for sure. There could be a link to the article about Latin America, links to articles about the major subgroups of Latinos, such as Mexican American and Cuban American and the possibilities are endless.--JuanMuslim 1m 23:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Orale pues, that's the reason we made the Mexican-American/Chicano templates {{Chicano2}} and {{Mexican-American}}. However, I think your idea of a navigational template for all the Latinos in the U.S. is actually probably a better idea since many of our organizations are inclusive of Latinos from all nationalities. If we make a template that is more inclusive, maybe we could make separate navigational templates for specific topics such as the Chicano Movement and Chicano Art, for example. What you are asking for, however, is a major reorganization. And here in conservative Wikipedia, you are bound to encounter opposition. So let's get it together before we start adding it to articles.
Here's my recommendation: we reorganize the Latino template to accomodate articles that already exist. One header will be "Nationalities", and underneath, Cuban American, Mexican American, etc. That's the only idea I have for now, and when I get back I'll help with getting it together. PAZ carnal, --Rockero 03:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure we'll get some opposition, but all we can do is explain ourselves. The best approach right now is as you stated, that is, to use what already exists. And, your help is essentual because you are more familiar with what Latino related articles already exist on Wikipedia. Then, we'd also have a better idea of what needs to be written or perhaps reorganized. For example, the article on Puerto Rico includes info about Puerto Rican Americans which would be good for an article entitled Puerto Rican Americans or Puerto Rican American. And, some links on the template could point to sections within various Latino related articles. --JuanMuslim 1m 12:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Wikiprojects

[edit] Wikiproyecto:Hispanidad

Hola. He colocado un interwiki a es:Wikiproyecto:Hispanidad. Tal vez sería interesante la colaboración de ambas wikipedias sobre el tema, aunque la verdad es que el wikiproyecto de la es:Wikipedia es muy reciente y está un tanto vacío. Saludos. --87.218.20.167 23:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussions

[edit] Fraternities and Sororities

I just wanted to bring it to this Project's attention that the whole scope of Latino fraternities and sororities are highly lacking. They are almost all blatant advertisements, with absolutely no sources and no references to speak of. They are plagiarized from the home website at times, and badly need to be fixed. Jmlk17 23:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal for renaming of Notable Hispanics

I see that an editor has made a proposal to move/rename the list Notable Hispanics. As this article is tagged with the WikiProject Latinos banner, I brought this proposal to this page so that interested parties could participate in the discussion. — ERcheck (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

List of so and so is better. That would be most consistent with other types of list. It's current name implies its an article rather than a list. --JuanMuslim 1m 13:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Latinos and Hispanics

Please refer to the talk page of History of Latinos and Hispanics. --JuanMuslim 1m 21:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black flight article making strange claims.

This article lacks sources and makes a lot of claims about american cities especially with regard to Black and Latino populations. I hope that someone will take a look at it and help me weed-out the dubious statements. Here is a quote to give you an idea about what has me concerned here:

The phenomenon of black flight has resulted in dramatic demographic shifts in some of the countries poorest inner-city neighborhoods. American blacks comprised more than 75% of all inner-city residents in the 1990's compared to just 27% in 2006. Black flight has allowed a rising poor class to emerge in many large cities, the Hispanic lower class. Hispanics today make up the majority of the population in 33 of the 50 largest cities in the United States, whereas just 20 years ago only 1 large city, Los Angeles, had a Hispanic majority. On the reverse, African Americans made up a majority in 28 of the 50 largest US cities 20 years ago, but today only make up a majority in 6 of the 50 largest cities.

Especially without a sources, this seems like it might be POV pushing? Help me out here?

PS. Check out WP:AFRO!

futurebird 15:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refocus or rename *urgent*

Articles like Argentine American or Peruvian American are misleading, an Argentine American is not solely an immigrant the "Argentine American" concept is for a person who has dual citizenship or has heritage related from both countries.

No because I migrate to Africa.. I should then be called an African American.. c'mon!! --F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 16:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Since you are focusing on the "latinos" in the United States why not call it Argentines in the United States??--F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 16:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I was just thinking

Please don't feel obligated to flame me for this.

Well, here's the thing. We all know about how all the South American and Central American, and other places all have this "Latin" origin to them. Being that we've all had been touched by Spain in some significant way. Hence the Hispanic thing. That I can understand.

What I'm going to muse might be something completely different, and may not involve this particular project, but may be rooted and have the makings of a new project. Nonetheless, This is only a mere observation, and understanding from everything I've read thus far.

True, we've all had or have origins stemming from Spaniard colonization, and we're all related in terms of who we have to thank in making us as we are today. There is no way we can deny this in any rational argument that we can have. But equally interesting is how we all differ ourselves as different and counter-nature to what Spain is. What I mean, I guess, is that when I mention "That we're like cousins to the Spaniards" or even "blood kin", everyone whose Hispanic like me gets all offended and really angry at me for making that kind of statement. But when we think seriously on the word "Hispanic", it still hails a sense that it involves Spanish - hence the Spaniards yet again. Even the word "Latino" or "Latina" indirectly points back to Spain, though generally to the greater part of Southern Europe.

I can't help but think that even though we may bemoan the Spaniards, the French, the Portuguese, and the Italians for their part in our violent history as "Latin Nations" - could we also consider ourselves partly as descendants of the greater Roman Empire of times long since past and only written in texts as proof. We all know how grand was this empire - that pretty much included the whole world. It was by far the greatest empire that saw a continued existence of peace and enlightenment other than our own modern times.

I can't really seem to think that there is anything far fetched in us having to attribute ourselves as descendants to this - as most of us do use the Romance or Latin languages to communicate to one another and use much of the Latin style of education.

I think we can have something in common not just with Brazilians, or the Italians, or the French, or any other Romance lingua using people - but to all peoples that have some degree of attribution to be made back to the originators of our culture and language - the Roman Empire.

True still, we should always remember our roots as Amerindians, as we are also descendants of those great empires as well. But we should accept both as a part of us as much as we are a consequence of them. I can't think of any of other cultural phenomenon that can boast that an entire group of people from all over the world can be identified as a unified adaptive culture that spans the globe, and are becoming more and more multi-racial. The English and the Germanic people's can't boast this too easily.

Reading back what I've wrote, I think maybe I should start a project involving Latin culture, which include Central America, South America, southern Europe, Africa, and parts of Asia as a whole.

I'd like some feed back, thanks. - Psypho (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Contribute where you feel you know the most. --evrik (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Héctor López

Help expanding Good article Héctor López would be greatly appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hector Lopez picture

Can anyone tell me if this is Hector Lopez. Please drop a note on my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)