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[edit] AfDs

Whether you agree with the AfD or disagree with it, list any article undergoing AfD here. -- Hoary 12:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Later comment: I don't think it's usually a good idea to comment here on these articles (or the photographers who are their subjects). Rather, comment within the particular AfD, or, if appropriate, in the talk page of the particular article. Here, just say that this or that article is up for AfD, and later either that it survived the process or that it was deleted. -- Hoary 02:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Old AfD mentions are here.

[edit] Questionable articles

I seem to have a bad track record of antagonizing editors with my AfD submissions. Nevertheless, I keep finding articles that seem highly dubious to me. Many of these articles have not been submitted to the List of photographers article and may be flying under our collective radar. I considered placing the articles on the List to call greater attention to them, but that represents something of an endorsement by me. As such, I was wondering if other editors would see a value in looking at some of these articles as a group and then making improvements or submitting the article to the AfD process. I'd appreciate your comments on this proposal. To kick things off, I've started a proposed list below. TheMindsEye 03:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems a good proposal to me. I had a look at a few of your nominations and agreed with you on some, disagreeing on one. I'll return to this later. (Meanwhile, remember that anyone in an AfD debate can, and many people do, squawk "Lack of notability is no reason for deletion! WP:BIO is not policy!") -- Hoary 07:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable article list

This is a list of articles that have some problems. It may be those whose notability is at least questionable, or have other potential problems. These articles may or may not merit an AfD discussion, but should be looked at by several editors with an eye towards either improving the article or submitting it to the AfD process. [writes TheMindsEye]

Don't overlook the option of "prodding" where appropriate. -- Hoary 07:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, many of the spam / self-promo articles have copyright violations, cut-and-paste text from an external site. That can be removed on sight, or if the entire article has been taken from an external website, then it can be flagged as copyvio Brian 09:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)btball

Articles (many of which have since been deleted) added to the list some time ago are here.

[edit] Fashion/celeb stuff

Having discovered that an article on Iris Prosch appeared to have been "borrowed" from this, I deleted it and proceeded to look at its contributor's list of edits. They're mostly about photographers and seem distinctly adulatory, but I didn't notice any more plagiarism. (There's certainly a relationship to the people listed here, though.) Somebody with more time and energy may wish to take a look through them. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cheesecake photographers

"Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Photographers needing articles": T the Tiger created the following templates and the photographers have many redlinks. I am not sure if any of them are important photographers [...] "Important", well.... I looked at a few names and none seemed even slightly familiar. But they're important to US lovers of cheesecake, I suppose. (Ah, the inscrutable Americans.) -- Hoary (talk) 15:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Power

The Mark Power article seems to have become a playground for somebody who's either deluded or a troll. If matters get worse, I'll semi-protect it. If anyone has a little time and a book about Magnum photographers, do please check that's what written about him is correct. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New article list?

I'm sorry that articles normally only get a mention here when they're problematic. I for one would like to hear of good new articles too.

Most of the new or almost new articles I work on are about photography in Japan and thus get listed at Template:Newest Japan-related articles. I'd like Template:Newest photographic history articles or similar, because I'd like to see what's new.

Of course List of photographers works similarly, but it is an article, and although I find it convenient I'd be hard pressed to cite any policy to defend it if it were ever taken to AfD.

Also, I think that listing promising articles might help to make this somnolent Project look a bit more inviting, which would be no bad thing.

How does such a new template (of course for transclusion anywhere people wish) sound to y'all? -- Hoary (talk) 09:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Uh, hello? -- Hoary (talk) 16:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
You mean you expected a response? ;~) This is a good idea - I might even be able to help out in the near future. For the template, we need a photo of a shiny new camera, or sommit... Pinkville (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good articles

I suppose that these must be good articles. But I find at least one of them most depressing. Is there something missing in it, or in me? -- Hoary (talk) 16:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Why, do you have a problem with tautologies: there has been backlash surrounding the photo because it spawned criticism...? (With a mixed metaphor for good measure.) Wow, that's really a grim article. So many lapses of writing and thought. Here's a good one, in quotation marks: the parody relied "for its comic effect on the contrast between the original". - end of paragraph. Quite the contrast (following the citation link, the contrast becomes a little more clear...). Well, a few more, genuinely good articles are in order. And one of these GAs is looking like it might become something more. Pinkville (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)