Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Harry Potter/Archive 12

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Contents 1 Shortcut deletion proposal 2 Referencing the books standard? 3 Good article icon 4 Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up 5 Individual characters pages

Shortcut deletion proposal

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:HP -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Referencing the books standard?

Well, earlier yesterday I was came to Chronology of the Harry Potter stories and looked at the bottom at all the references to the books, Some referenced one special book, most a chapter, some with the chapter names etc. I took it on myself to put every book reference in there to the same style that was the most used already. So now later I started looking at the book referencing on other articles and seeing almost each article references the book differently. Examples:

• Magic in Harry Potter
  • Rowling, J. K. (2005). Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (in English). London: Bloomsbury/New York City: Scholastic, et al. UK ISBN 0747581088/U.S. ISBN 0439784549.
  • Rowling, J. K. (2007). Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (in English). London: Bloomsbury/New York City: Scholastic, et al. UK ISBN 1551929767/U.S. ISBN 0545010225.
  • Rowling, J.K.: "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix", page 81. Scholastic, 2003
  • Rowling, J. K.: "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban", page 311. Scholastic, 1999
• Places in Harry Potter
  • Rowling, J. K. [1999-07-08] (2001-09-11). "THE DEMENTOR", Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Scholastic. DOI:10.1223/0786222743. ISBN 0-439-13636-9.
  • Rowling, J. K. [2007-07-21] (2007-07-21). "GODRIC'S HOLLOW", Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Bloomsbury. ISBN 0-747-59105-9.
  • Rowling, J. K. (2001-09-11). "THE BOY WHO LIVED", Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Scholastic. ISBN 0-590-35342-X.
  • Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
  • [HP2], chapter 18
  • Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. J. K. Rowling. pg. 73. ISBN 1-55192-700-4
  • Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, "Diagon Alley". J. K. Rowling. pg. 86 ISBN 1-55192-700-4
  • Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, "Owls Post". J. K. Rowling. pg.15-16. ISBN 1-55192-704-7
• Spells in Harry Potter
  • Rowling, J. K. (2007). Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Bloomsbury Publishing, 484. ISBN 9780747591061.

Now there are probably many more different ways they have been referenced, but wouldn't a standardization be in order here? I sould suggest some sort of chapter referencing (so it can easily be used multiple times, instead of page references, and less times than just referencing the books), though I don't really have any suggestion for the format of it, though I sorta liked the way it was done on most (and now is) references in the chronology article Chandler ♠ TALK 22:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

This is mostly because the Wikipedia:WikiProject Harry Potter/Templates doesnt seem to be used all the time Chandler ♠ TALK 00:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe use the {{PS}} {{CS}} {{PA}} {{GF}} {{OP}} {{HBP}} {{DH}} who includes Chapter numbers, but add in the references from HP#ref Chandler ♠ TALK 01:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article icon

A proposal to add a symbol identifying Good Articles in a similar manner to Featured ones is being discussed: see Wikipedia talk:Good articles#Proposal. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver, British Columbia meet-up

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Individual characters pages

I've been looking that there is a great difference between the 6 main characters' pages (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Voldemort, Dumbledore, and Snape), and the secondary, yet really important 6 characters. One of the main differences is that these characters (Hagrid, Sirius, Draco, Ginny, Neville, and Luna) have only a section for character development or background, and appearances (with Hagrid having a section for his pets, and Sirius and Draco for their families), but none of this 6 characters have sections for Attributes (outward appearance, personality, magical abilities, etc.) Should we work on this in order to improve this pages, or shall this Attributes section remain only for the 6 main?? --Lord Opeth (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I would consider expanding these sections, but as I'm not too clear on WP:FICTION, I don't know if this would work under those guidelines. If there are no problems with huge articles describing fictional characters, then I'm all for it! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 07:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that we should only add information that does indeed improve the article. WP:FICTION says that Depth of coverage within an article should be guided by the amount of real-world information which can be sourced, I think that we should mostly work with information provided by Rowling and the portrayers. We need to avoid re-telling of whole scenes, and obviously OR. Right now I've been working on Attributes sections for Hagrid, Sirius, and Draco. I also added some information from Rowling about Neville, but I did not find anything useful for Ginny and Luna (Luna's article, however, has an already well-written section for Character development). --Lord Opeth (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)