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The result of the debate was PROMOTED Immediately: O'Hare International Airport, Field Museum of Natural History, Richard J. Daley. Chicago 'L' & Frank Lloyd Wright will be promoted after WP:CHICAGO article totals of 12000 and 12500 are reached respectively.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Over the next week or two we are accepting votes for articles to be promoted to Category:Top-importance Chicago articles from the list above. There is no set date that voting will end, but it will certainly extend past the date of the Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 2 so attendees can vote. Voting will conclude at the end of the day on September 4, 2007. Please keep the Priority_scale above in mind when voting. Since we will probably be promoting 4 articles list your 4 choices in order below (place newest comments at the top) We will total votes with 5 pts for 1st, 3 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd and 1 for 4th:

Due to the good turn out the top 5 from this vote will eventually be promoted. The first 3 places will be promoted immediately. The 4th will be promoted after we pass 12000 articles and the 5th after we pass 12500 articles. When we get to around 14000 we will consider promoting another 5.

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Aaron Montgomery Ward, George Pullman and Harold Washington TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that there are 9000+, I would like to see Harold Washington promoted to Top. Also, please consider former mayor Richard J. Daley, as his policies and actions shaped the city in innumerable ways. In fact, I'd rather see Daley made Top than Washington, but he's not even on the list. Speciate 02:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I am personally inclined to pick Aaron Montgomery Ward and Frank Lloyd Wright. Ward's importance became apparent to me while researching the Historic Michigan Boulevard District. Wright's importance needs little explanation. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

As a non-Chicagoan and given the parameters of top importance classification, I have the view that top-importance articles should showcase Wiki-Chicago and this will only occur if we mark them as top importance and they are written well. In terms of articles related to Chicago then I would say this usually occurs by a reverse discovery. What I mean by this is that most readers (other than for very obvious articles like Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire, Chicago Tribune, Chicago Blackhawks etc) will choose an item of interest and accidently find out that the content has a strong link to Chicago. So Frank Lloyd Wright; George Pullman; Sears, Roebuck and Company; Muhammad Ali; & Donald Rumsfeld are the type of articles I would choose for top. Given I only get a choice of two - I pick George Pullman & Sears, Roebuck and Company at this time.--VS ^talk 23:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Muhammad Ali lived/lives on the south side of Chicago (for decades, I think). Since he was/is "the most famous man in the world" [1], and since the current article does not mention much about his Chicago connection, he should join Michael Jordan in Top. Speciate 00:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion the MA be Top was predicated on the idea that his Chicago connection is being given short shrift. If that can be corrected, then there is no need. But, I'm afraid I don't know much about where he lived, especially if it has to be citable. Speciate 22:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the Great Chicago Fire and Al Capone should be (Top). When people from foreign countries talk about Chicago, they make "bang bang" noises in reference to Capone, and the fire is one of the stars in the Chicago Flag, and remade the city. Speciate 23:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was The following all pass with reduced requirements due to inactivity on the page. I made one selection without any support due to inactivity and personal opinion of importance

List of Chicago Landmarks (Director's choice given inactivity)

Lake Shore Drive

Haymarket Riot

Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago)

John Hancock Center

The Blues Brothers (film)

Union Stock Yards

Chicago school (architecture)--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Chicago Landmarks

This is a list of most important places and things in Chicago and is thus important.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Shore Drive

This scenic drive neighbors so many Chicago institutions and has an interesting history.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support A good example of something non-Chicagoans have heard of. Zagalejo 20:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support: Zagalejo said what I was going to say. IvoShandor 15:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Neutral, unless the number of allowed Top articles is increased greatly. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Haymarket Riot

Could be the most important historical event which hasn't been nominanted yet. Zagalejo 07:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Strong support: one of the most important events in American labor history. Also, note I would be willing to work on this at some point, labor history is my strong suit. IvoShandor 15:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Week support, if the number of allowed Top articles is increased greatly. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago)

Another biggie. Speciate 07:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support Zagalejo 07:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Hancock Center

A defining part of our skyline. Zagalejo 03:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Weak support, if the number of allowed Top articles is increased greatly. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Blues Brothers (film)

Cult classic.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Weak support Of all the films, this one probably has the strongest Chicago "feel" to it. I say weak support because it didn't really affect anyone's lives in a serious way. Zagalejo 02:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Support - Chicago is a one of the stars in this film. Speciate 03:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Union Stock Yards

High probability that non-Chicagoans would look this up, and I think it had a significant impact on non-Chicagoans: The Jungle, and the social/dietary changes that resulted from the meatpacking and transport industries. Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think it rises to the level of Top. High, certainly. In terms of impact outside Chicago, the Haymarket Riot was far more influential. Billions of communists used to celebrate May Day as a result, maybe they still do in China. Speciate 21:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't entirely disagree. I would prefer a more general article about the meatpacking industry in Chicago, but I don't think we have one. Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Support --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Support If not The Jungle, then definitely this broader topic. Zagalejo 02:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago school (architecture)

the article is the basis for a world reknown style of architecture and cadre of locally based architects within a specific time period in chicago. the article would support the wikipedia core topic of architecture with additional support for chicago landmark, nrhp, and national historic landmark articles. LurkingInChicago 01:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment - What do we do with the Chicago architecture page then? Speciate 01:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Move it: to Architecture in Chicago or better yet Architecture of Chicago, because it's too confusing as is. Support nominated article. IvoShandor 15:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Support only if merged to the Chicago architecture article. Which is not to say I'm advocating such a merge right now. Speciate 23:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was

Area code 312 Failed (2 against).

Chicago 2016 Olympic bid Failed (2 against).

Risky Business Failed (3 against).

A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte Failed (2 against).

The Jungle Passed (4 for ) against).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Area code 312

One of the original area codes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose: Area codes are barely notable if you ask me, let alone important. Strikes me as a bit too trivial. IvoShandor 15:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per IvoShandor. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago 2016 Olympic bid

This is our cities chance to shine.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose An article on the Olympics itself would be justified, if they actually do come to Chicago, but not this. Zagalejo 20:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per Zagalejo. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Risky Business

Maybe its because I am in the age group that finds this movie memorable, but I think its a classic.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Let's not overload the category with 80s movies. Blues Brothers is sufficient. :) I didn't even realize this was set in the Chicago area. Zagalejo 05:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose: per Zagelejo. IvoShandor 15:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - set more in the North Shore. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte

One of the most important works of art in Chicago.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose I'll agree that it's one of the most important paintings here, but it's still a French painting. Zagalejo 02:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per Zagalejo. Speciate 23:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Jungle

Classic work of literature set in the Chicago Stock Yards. Led to establishment of the Pure Food and Drug Act, among other things. Zagalejo 20:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Shsilver 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

NeutralSupport not sure this deserves serious consideration because I am not sure of its cross-generational impact.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, it's still read in many schools. I read it in high school, and it seems to get a decent bit of attention at the Sparknotes message boards. Zagalejo 21:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition, its influence are still being felt in the way the US government oversees the preparation of food (and drugs), among other things. Shsilver 22:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree the book is important, but it might be better to have a broader survey of the meatpacking industry (not necessarily the stockyards, which I nominated above). I don't know the city like many of you do, and haven't really looked at all the articles we have and how they are related, so take my opinions with a grain of salt. Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong support: disagree about lack of cross-generational impact, citing the fact that it is assigned in many high school English classes (I read it first in high school) and the fact that the novel still impacts life today because of the changes that occurred in the American food and drug industry, largely because of it. IvoShandor 15:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was

Brian's Song Failed (2 against).

History of Chicago Passed (5 for, 0 against).

Chicago River Passed (4 for, 0 against).

Boeing Failed (no support after about 12 weeks including a nomination drive).

Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association Failed (no support after about 10 weeks including a nomination drive).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian's Song

Important part of Chicago culture.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - Never heard of it. Speciate 04:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose I doubt many people outside of the US have seen this movie. Zagalejo 05:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Chicago

How come History of Chicago isn't at top importance, or at least at high importance, within this project? --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Support, seems like a no-brainer. Zagalejo 03:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Support for High. Speciate 01:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Support, Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago River

extremely significant throughout chicago's history, industrialization, and urban expansion, with connections to world record engineering and urban planning efforts. LurkingInChicago 01:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Zagalejo 03:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Support - Is the City's raison d'être. Speciate 03:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boeing

International aerospace company that facilitates global commerce. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Rumor has it that Boeing may relocate out of Chicago. Its headquarters move was the work of their CEO at the time who really liked Chicago, but their operations are mostly in Washington. That guy is no longer in charge, and it's only a matter of time. Speciate 23:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association

Now that you mention it, they are another company of importance to Chicagoans and non-Chicagoans alike. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutral I don't relish the idea of researching an HMO all that much, but they have a nifty headquarters building in a prominant locale. Speciate 04:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was

Field Museum of Natural History Passed (4 for, 0 against).

World's Columbian Exposition Passed (3 for, 0 against).

Leopold and Loeb Passed (3 for, 0 against).

Richard J. Daley Passed (4 for, 0 against).

Skidmore, Owings and Merrill Passed (3 for, 0 against).

Allstate Failed (1 for, 2 against). --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Field Museum of Natural History

Definitely the most prestigious museum of its kind in the Midwest; arguably the second-most important natural history museum in the US (behind the American Museum of Natural History.) Zagalejo 20:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Shsilver 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Speciate 05:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World's Columbian Exposition

One of the highlights of Chicago history. From the article: "The fair had a profound effect on architecture, the arts, Chicago's self image and American industrial optimism." Zagalejo 20:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Shsilver 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leopold and Loeb

One of the most famous murder cases of the 2oth century. Trial occurred at Courthouse Place and most of the principle figures were Chicagoans. Zagalejo 20:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Shsilver 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support Speciate 05:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richard J. Daley

Nomination by User:Speciate moved here for discussion. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Support Daley's article could use a lot of improvement. His powerful machine (and ghost voters, some will say--with good evidence) won/stole the 1960 Presidential election for JFK. He was responsible for the 1968 Democratic Convention/Police Riot, which likely caused the loss of the White House for the Dems, allowing "Tricky Dick" Nixon to win. He first was elected by the African-American vote, but later resisted desegregation and Martin Luther King, Jr. He built the horrendous high-rise public housing projects that his son has spent a decade knocking down. He ruled over Chicago (and Cook County) with an iron fist for two decades, and had something to do with just about every feature of the current city, good and bad. Speciate 23:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutral I am a little unsure about his importance to non-Chicagoans. I am not sure if it rises to top status. However, I think he is an important enough subject to be a nominee. I will certainly have trouble voting for him as a nominee over more nationally prominent individuals, but do believe he may warrant consideration. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Support For years, Daley was the face of Chicago. Even today, if you ask people about Chicago, they'll mention Capone, Jordan, and Daley, probably mentioning the 1968 DNC in the bargain. Shsilver 19:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Support I think he's famous enough outside of the Chicago area. The 1968 DNC is still discussed in history classes. Zagalejo 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skidmore, Owings and Merrill

Possibly Chicago's most important current Architectural firm. They build world class buildings in world class cities. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Support, because of all the work they do outside of Chicago, and the controversy[2] associated with the Freedom Tower at Ground Zero, which is ongoing. Speciate 04:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Support Shsilver 19:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allstate

Another important company that impacts everyday life for many Chicagoans and non-Chicagoans. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Object Located in Northbrook, and not in the most exciting line of business. Blue Cross Blue Shield has a huge headquarters building at the north end of Grant Park. Speciate 23:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Object as Speciate notes. Shsilver 19:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was the nomination Failed (1 for, 2 against). I would suggest if parties remain displeased with the priority rating one year from now, they renominate this article for top priority. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago Portage National Historic Site

• Chicago Portage National Historic Site - I have nominated this page to either be of High or Top priority. The reason being, this is the "Plymouth Rock" of Chicago. As its own site states "Chicago owes its very existence as a city to the location of the Chicago Portage."[3]. So, I will leave it open for more discussion.--Kranar drogin 19:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't rate this until there is more info in the article, official websites often inflate the importance of its subject. IvoShandor 22:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I see no reason why a redlink or stub would be excluded from top importance. This is not a quality rating. However, I do not see why International Wikipedians would consider this a must article yet. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus (2 for, 2 against). I would suggest if parties remain displeased with the Donald Rumsfeld priority rating one year from now, they renominate him for demotion. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Rumsfeld

I think we should knock Donald Rumsfeld down to High to make room. Speciate 20:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

His association with Chicago is peripheral. Yes, he was from Wilmette, and he was CEO of Searle in Skokie for a couple of years, but he has had little impact on Chicago or people's perceptions of Chicago. His fall from power was irrelevant to Chicago. In a perfect world he would be Mid. Speciate 17:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You are neglecting the most important reason why he is associated with the project with a strong priority/importance assessment. The following comes directly from his WP article:

I do not know the geography of the 13th district in the 60's but since he is associated with the northern suburbs by categorical reference (Category:New Trier High School alumni, Category:People from Evanston, Illinois, and Category:People from Winnetka, Illinois), I assume he probably served these regions then. Essentially, he would be a former high who went on to greater roles and succeeded (measured by duration of tenure and repeated engagements). I think his national roles are an extension of his local roles in this context. Your opinion is welcome. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I just don't see why this particular Congressman and cabinet member gets to be Top. He is simply not important enough nor influenced Chicago in particular to be Top. By way of counter-example, Abe Lincoln would be Top for Illinois.

Harold Washington and both Mayor Daleys should be Top before Rumsfeld gets to be Top for Chicago. Speciate 18:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think Abe Lincoln is a mess, which is why it is a WP:FFA. His talk page, which is not a part of such consideration is representative of this. WP Kentucky lists him as top for some reason although I don't think he ever served them. WP Illinois and WP Presidents don't list priorities for him. I think he would be top for Illinois. I am not familiar with his influence when he had a Chicago role in the 60's, but infer it from his electoral success and subsequent roles. I have to rethink whether a cabinet member should be top because he is not bringing money back to Illinois like a Congressman. However, the only other voice in the voting we have seems to concur that Rumsfeld is a good choice. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Rumsfeld's association with Chicago is periphery at best, everything anyone would look him up for he did elsewhere. As for Abe, he was born in Kentucky and lived there for seven years as a child, maybe they have their own criteria too. IvoShandor 13:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• My nickel's worth - Donald Rumsfeld is of top importance at this time to non-Chicagoans because of his duties with regards Iraq his article and is a must have for this encyclopedia. If another project picked him up as Top importance then we would not have too but for now his link to Chicago and thus our pursuit of the information on his article page is very important. 5 years from now - well probably not but for now yes.

• Another nickel's worth - this may have been discussed before - but why are we so concerned that only 0.2% of articles are of top importance. I am a part of three other projects that do not put these restrictions in play. So if its not absolutely set in concrete why can't it be raised to say half of one percent - which would allow for 44-45 articles at Top in the current 8939 on Chicago?--VS ^talk 07:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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