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[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inactivity

Ok guys, we need to boost things up. All roads in Saskatchewan need articles.Mitchazenia(Its my birthday!!!) 12:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan Highway 667 marked for deletion by User:Tonyf12

Please see the Saskatchewan Highway 667 article and talk page for more information. Thank you. Ultraflame 18:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template for Saskatchewan 600s, 700s, and 900s highways

I am currently thinking about making a template, like Template:Saskatchewan Provincial Highways by User:Ketiltrout, listing all of the 600s, 700s, and 900s highways in Saskatchewan. Or, we could also modify that existing template to include those highways, but User:Ketiltrout said that they would "overwhelm it". If anyone has some suggestions on this matter, please reply. Thank you. Ultraflame 00:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The largest template for highways that exists is for Manitoba it seems like on browsing around and about - Template:MBHighways - USA doesn't seem to use the numbering templates, but all the Canadian provinces do, but they are like the existing SK template except MB. How would the larger SK compare to MB? SriMesh | talk 00:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This is what I had in mind for expanding the existing template:
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Saskatchewan provincial highways
Primary highways 1 • 2 • 3 • 4 • 5 • 6 • 7 • 8 • 9 • 10 • 11 • 12 • 13 • 14 • 15 • 16 • 17 • 18 • 19 • 20 • 21 • 22 • 23 • 24 • 25 • 26 • 27 • 28 • 29 • 30 • 31 • 32 • 33• 34 • 35 • 36 • 37 • 38 • 39 • 40 • 41 • 41A • 42 • 43 • 44 • 45 • 46 • 47 • 48 • 49 • 51 • 52 • 54 • 55 • 56 • 57 • 58 • 60 • 80 • 99
Northern highways 102 • 106 • 120 • 123 • 135 • 155 • 165 • 167
Secondary highways 201 • 202 • 209 • 210 • 211 • 212 • 219 • 220 • 221 • 224 • 225 • 229 • 247 • 255 • 263 • 264 • 265 • 271 • 301 • 302 • 303 • 304 • 305 • 306 • 307 • 308 • 309 • 310 • 312 • 316 • 317 • 318 • 320 • 321 • 322 • 324 • 332 • 334 • 335 • 339 • 340 • 342 • 343 • 349 • 350 • 354 • 355 • 357 • 358 • 361 • 362 • 363 • 364 • 365 • 367 • 368 • 369 • 371 • 373 • 374 • 375 • 376 • 377 • 378 • 379 • 381 • 394 • 396 • 397
600s (north-south) Highways 600 • 601 • 603 • 604 • 605 • 606 • 610 • 611 • 612 • 614 • 615 • 616 • 617 • 619 • 620 • 621 • 623 • 624 • 627 • 628 • 630 • 631 • 633 • 635 • 637 • 638 • 639 • 640 • 641 • 642 • 643 • 644 • 645 • 646 • 647 • 649 • 650 • 651 • 653 • 654 • 655 • 656 • 657 • 658 • 659 • 660 • 661 • 662 • 663 • 664 • 665 • 667 • 668 • 669 • 670 • 671 • 672 • 673 • 674 • 675 • 676 • 677 • 678 • 679 • 680 • 681 • 682 • 683 • 684 • 685 • 686 • 687 • 690 • 691 • 692 • 693 • 694 • 695 • 696 • 697 • 698 • 699
700s (east-west) Highways 702 • 703 • 704 • 705 • 707 • 709 • 711 • 715 • 716 • 717 • 718 • 720 • 721 • 722 • 724 • 725 • 726 • 727 • 728 • 730 • 731 • 732 • 733 • 734 • 735 • 737 • 738 • 741 • 743 • 745 • 747 • 749 • 751 • 752 • 753 • 754 • 755 • 756 • 758 • 761 • 762 • 763 • 764 • 766 • 767 • 768 • 771 • 772 • 773 • 776 • 777 • 778 • 780 • 781 • 782 • 783 • 784 • 785 • 786 • 787 • 788 • 789 • 790 • 791 • 792 • 793 • 794 • 795 • 796 • 797 • 798 • 799
900s (northern) Highways 903 • 904 • 905 • 908 • 909 • 910 • 911 • 912 • 913 • 914 • 915 • 916 • 917 • 918 • 919 • 920 • 921 • 922 • 923 • 924 • 925 • 926 • 927 • 928 • 929 • 930 • 931 • 932 • 933 • 934 • 935 • 936 • 937 • 938 • 939 • 940 • 941 • 942 • 943 • 945 • 946 • 950 • 951 • 952 • 953 • 954 • 955 • 956 • 962 • 963 • 964 • 965 • 966 • 968 • 969 • 970 • 980 • 981 • 982 • 983 • 984 • 994 • 995 • 999
See also Trans-Canada Highway • Yellowhead Highway • List of Saskatchewan provincial roads • List of Canadian highways by province

It doesn't look too much bigger than the Manitoba template, actually. Ultraflame 01:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Both have 7 groups including the see also. I recently readded 600s to Manitoba's.Mitchazenia 11:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
All right, I will modify the existing template, and eventually add it to all Saskatchewan highway articles. Thank you. Ultraflame 21:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

As most of those articles contain little information, are you sure it's not easier to construct large lists or tables (say by the hundred) so it's easier to read all of them at once? –Pomte 01:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

What do you have in mind? And have you commented similarly on the Manitoba template? Ultraflame 03:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
List of Saskatchewan provincial highways already contains most of the information in these articles. The list can be expanded into a table, with columns added for length in km, the locations each highway passes through, and other misc. notes. Something in the vein of List of county routes in Mercer County, New Jersey or List of State Highway Spurs in Texas.
I don't mean delete all of these due to the work that has already been put into them. Consensus on this matter though would be nice for other provinces, and on the proposal Wikipedia:Notability (highways). I've made a note at Template talk:MBHighways. –Pomte 03:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
You are correct, many of these articles do not contain much information, but I believe the current list, and the template would be enough without incorporating the table. I have looked at the examples that you have provided, but a table similar to those may not provide enough room to contain the information I would plan to add to the table, without distorting the table too much (for example, each existing section may be stretched due to the cells not being wide enough and must be stretched vertically due to the information I would add). To me, the table seems much like a method to contain information about an article that has not yet been created or expanded. I plan to do that when I have time in July and August, and hopefully most of the articles will have been expanded by September. For now, I believe the existing list and template are fine. Thank you. Ultraflame 15:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan Highway 956 marked for deletion by User:A Man In Black

Adding more to the article when I can. Ultraflame 03:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, someone removed the deletion template. You may ignore this if the deletion template does not come back up. Ultraflame 03:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highways 1-99 Completed

As of July 13, 2007, all of the highways that have numbers between 1 and 99 have their own articles. I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to the WikiProject Saskatchewan Roads for this "occasion". Ultraflame 18:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan Highway 623

I removed the templates improve this article or section, This article does not cite any references or sources, The subject of this article may not satisfy the notability guideline for this Highway article. I added sections, references and sources, as well as additional subject to that all would be good again. SriMesh | talk 18:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan Highway 8 marked for deletion by User:Mitchazenia

Please see Talk:Saskatchewan Highway 8. Thank you. Ultraflame 23:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Saskatchewan Provincial Highways marked for deletion

Please see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Associated Canada provincial highway templates. Thank you. Ultraflame 23:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:NE2 deleting "Travel Route" sections from highway articles

User:NE2 has been deleting the "Travel Route" sections from the Saskatchewan highway articles. When reading through the previous revisions of the articles that contained the Travel Route section, I have a feeling that the Travel Route section is not really needed, and often confusing. What should be our final decision on the Travel Route section? Ultraflame 02:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a travel guide. The section is also a copyright violation, assuming it's copied from the program. --NE2 02:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Saskatchewan provincial roads marked for deletion

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Saskatchewan provincial roads. Thank you. Ultraflame 02:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old maps

I added a few links to the project page, including a 1926 highway map. --NE2 03:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

They appear to have the potential to be useful in the future. Perhaps one day we will have an "old highways" section, like in the List of Quebec provincial highways#Pre-1970s Routes. Thank you very much. In fact, I ask everyone interested to give their opinions on a section like this. I personally believe that it could be added for interesting historical information on Saskatchewan highways. Ultraflame 00:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

  • 28 August - expires 2 September
    • Range Road 3042 (Saskatchewan) (PROD by User:NE2; a gravel N-S roadway) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grid roads

It appears that the 6xx and 7xx highways are actually called "grid roads". Is this correct? --NE2 00:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, can somebody clarify what the difference between a "provincial road" and "provincial highway" is?

"provincial road" means any public highway that the Department of Highways and Transportation maintains;
"provincial highway" means a public highway or a proposed public highway that:
(i) is the subject of a departmental plan; or
(ii) is prescribed as a provincial highway;
and includes a weighing and inspection facility;

It looks like the 9xx routes are "provincial roads", as are the "access roads" that connect towns to provincial highways. On the other hand, the 6xx and 7xx routes are maintained by the municipalities. Are there any other provincial roads? --NE2 01:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[1] [2] [3] are good resources SriMesh | talk 02:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't see answers to my questions there; do you know the answers? --NE2 04:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
There is no true correspondence between the 6xx, 7xx and so on to the highways and road structure. Rather the upkeep and type of highway and road is more dependent upon whether it is Class 1,2,3,4,5,6,or 7. There are definitions of the classes in the Saskatchewan Gazette ... and in the appendix of this article Submission to the Canada Transportation Act Review Panel of the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities. I can find no place which lists correspondences between the numbering of the highway and the class of Saskatchewan highway / road. This website Canada:Saskatchewan from wiki open street attempts to classify a syntax of numbering ie 5xx and 6xx etc. etc. with whether the road or highway is trunk, primary, secondary, etc.

Saskatchewan City & Town Maps shows an old Saskatchewan highways map from pre 2005 with the roads / highway in different colours for different types of roads, however the map key is missing. There are several roads and highways which change the pavement surface such as Saskatchewan Highway 32 near Leader, and Saskatchewan Highway 42 Near Eyebrow...etc. The grey roads on the bequet map are for the most part gravel - in comparing nearby routes to ones I have travelled upon, however it has not been updated. Grasswood road is not gravel, but is paved yet shows up as grey, it is becoming more well traveled with the opening of 2 golf courses, new park, statue and casino along this route, as well as expansion of the City and the new circle drive being proposed will either encompass Grasswood, or be aligned with Grasswood road. The red roads more travelled upon than the blue roads - the yellow roads the primary or trunk or core routes.

Will keep looking for correspondences, they must be somewhere.

SriMesh | talk 03:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I found a full map (the same as at [5] but in PDF) with a legend at [6]; I was only able to see the entire map by opening it in Illustrator, but there may be another way. The legend reads:

Provincial Highways and Other Roads
Provincial Highway - 6
Provincial Road - 905
Municipal Road - 714

These are the different types of shield; the colored lines are surface conditions. --NE2 09:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of highways

Hello,

there are a number of Sasketchewan highways on the January backlog of the Notability wikiproject:

These articles have been tagged with notability questions since, well, January. They are all very short stubs that have never been expanded. I'm not quite sure what roads you would in general consider notable in the project. There's nothing bad about having stubs in principle; but if there's nothing to write about these highways, and no sources from which an article could be written, they might perhaps better be merged into an article of larger scope; such as an article about all highways, or all 7xx highways, with a section on each. What's your opinion on that? --B. Wolterding 18:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

    • Note that hwys 703, 704 and 707 were just kept at AfD. Dl2000 02:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Existence of SK Hwy 704?

I'm having trouble finding evidence to support the existence of Saskatchewan Highway 704 - nothing in the SK Road Map or Google Maps. Can anyone supply sources, or perhaps determine if this was a now-defunct road designation? Otherwise, the article may need to be deleted. Dl2000 02:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canada Roads Restructuring

As shown at the Canada Roads Home Page, the project is beginning a complete restructuring. You are gonna be the next target. However, you have left your road articles in a complete disaster. I have gone to the trouble of expanding Saskatchewan Highway 913 to what should be a good road article. I am willing to help you guys out in doing this, but we should discuss this. I have plans for everything. Now will you agree to it?Mitch32contribs 14:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this article Saskatchewan Highway 58 is also close to being a good road article. I will update Saskatchewan Highway 913 for local terminology as it doesn't go through Whelan Bay New York at all. Saskatchewan also doesn't have counties, we have rural municipalities as our rural governments, and census divisions for statistics Canada and federal ridings for federal elections and provincial constituencies for provincial elections, and so on, our health division and education school districts are again different, nothing has been amalgamated, so each new enterprise and endeavour in the province made their own regions. The closest to a county in Saskatchewan is an RM. SriMesh | talk 18:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
We had the intersection template updated to include the divisions, I can ask someone if you'd like that changed.Mitch32contribs 18:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I think your plans are good even excellent, and it is also good that the road project is being given an overview, it has been very frustrating making articles just to have them go away and so it is not at all a very rewarding experience, if research work is done and then deleted, so there is no base for expansion. There also needs to be discussion about what a highway article should include. I think a highway is built to get somewhere so info about the somewhere should be included as it impacts the quantity of traffic on the road itself, and how it is constructed and what materials it is made of. A highway for grain trucks and semi trailers needs different construction than a highway for tourists going to the lake in the family car. Also the terrain the highway travels through is important as a highway traversing northern muskegs needs different construction than a highway through the southwestern sand dunes. There is a SK substitution template begun to which I added the infobox idea for the communities. askatchewan Highways templateSriMesh | talk 18:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, for one, some of us are moving stuff from Wikiproject U.S. Roads to here, and you're rural municipalities thing can be included in our infobox - Look at SK 913 and Saskatchewan Highway 914 for examples of our infoboxes. What an article should include is based on the Canada Roads page.Mitch32contribs 18:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images for highway articles (section transferred from WikiProject Canada Roads Talk page

Instead of making a whole whole bunch of images for each highway for the infobox template, can a locator map type template be used. I don't have to make a map for each Saskatchewan town, I just use the Saskatchewan locator map template and then voila, there is a labelled map with the correct co-ordinates. There should be a template code for highways also to do the same thingie, but instead it would just insert the highway number over a picture base. Another good reason to try to make a code for the highway numbered images is that in this image...Image:Saskatchewan Highway 913.svg... there are three symbolic wheat sheaves which used to be a symbol of Saskatchewan. Our new premier Brad Wall is changing this symbol - so there is news in the newspaper about the cost that the province will entail changing letterhead, and signs all over the province. Already the letterheads just bear the Saskatchewan emblem and not the symbol, as does the Provincial government website So having a template which could use one base which could easily be changed once the province adopts its new symbol would be handy. SriMesh | talk 04:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Update logo is remaining the same after all. SriMesh | talk 04:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This is what Alberta does, though they don't look perfectly aligned. Mess around with {{Text-superimpose}} and we'll check that it's consistent across browsers. –Pomte 04:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!! Have made use of the Template:Text-superimpose to try to re-use the same image for several highways such as those shown here. The Municipal road sign looks close as the writing is actually dark green, and so black text works OK. On the Provincial Highway sign, the lettering should be white, so the black text does not look well at all. I am not familiar with how to change the template to make the text superimpose change colour.SriMesh | talk 23:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC) - I got the colour in by using the command :-) I will have a peek at yours now....SriMesh | talk 02:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created a test template for SK specific images and colours at {{User:Pomte/Template:SK road shield}}. I'll be fine-tuning it to work better.
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–Pomte 00:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I like the new template! Good job. I will transfer this talk also to SK highway project so that folks there know about it. SriMesh | talk 02:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

Placed three articles Saskatchewan Highway 1, Saskatchewan Highway 11 Louis Riel Trail and Saskatchewan Highway 58 under peer review to help improve quality levels. Any comments appreciated.SriMesh | talk 04:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Added also external links in this regard to Roads in Saskatchewan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SriMesh (talk • contribs) 02:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

According to an old (c2002) AAA map guide, there are no Primary Multi Lane Divided Controlled access Highways, and 2 and 3 lane undivided primary controlled access highways. Principal Arterial—Interstate: Code 1 Rural, Code 11 Urban. The following are paved divided highways:

  • Trans Canada Saskatchewan Highway 1: Indian Head to Gull Lake - the whole length is to be twinned. National highway. The remainder of the highway is paved undivided .
  • Yellowhead Saskatchewan Highway 16: Saskatoon to North Battleford - the whole length is to be twinned. National highway. The remainder of the highway is paved undivided .
  • Louis Riel Trail Saskatchewan Highway 11: Regina to Saskatoon The remainder of the highway is paved undivided from Saskatoon to Prince Albert.
  • CanAm Highway Saskatchewan Highway 39: Weyburn to Moose Jaw scenic route

The following are paved undivided highways:

Will continue adding the secondary provincial paved and secondary local paved highways from this maps as the shields as well as surface types are demarked separately, if this helps...a beginning.... Secondary provincial paved

Secondary local paved highways

SriMesh | talk 01:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GAN

Saskatchewan Highway 16 Saskatchewan Highway 58 and Saskatchewan Highway 1 are at GAN SriMesh | talk 04:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naming of Government Departments MoS

Naming conventions discussion started here. Please help with protocol. Thank you. SriMesh | talk 02:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template revision assistance for highway segment names

Discussion about a possible template revision started for segments of highways with name designations. SriMesh | talk 04:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rural Municipalities

Discussion started here...RM about using just the name and not the added number for display in such things as highway article infoboxes. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 20:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up needed