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Indigenous Articles Template

Hello folks! I talked to User:Skookum1 about this, and was also recommended to bring the idea here. I wanted to create some consistency among the Indigenous articles for both political institutions and ethnic/people pages. What I've mostly worked on so far is Squamish Nation and Skwxwu7mesh. The structure I used is:

For culture and ethnic pages. (Examples being Haida, Skwxwu7mesh, Sto;lo, Kwakwaka'wakw)

  • History
  • Culture
    • Pre-contact
    • Post-contact
  • Language
  • Villages

For Indian Act political affiliation (Examples being any __________ First Nation)

  • History
  • Elected Councilors (and/or Chiefs)
  • Reserves
  • Treaty Claims
  • Resource and Development

There are also the actual government institutions such as Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council, and other Tribal Councils or tribal affiliations, which are political institutions representing a varying degree of native peoples from different groups. Idea's? Suggestions? OldManRivers 09:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wakash Indians - delete

Just put the delete tag on this; it's one of a few that are cribs from the Catholic Encyclopedia....I seem to recall they even had one for "Siwash Indians". Anyway, it's mostly CE material, and not very good other than some stats; so I put the delete tag on it; no AFD page yet but when it's there all please note.Skookum1 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

About the above, the admin who dropped by to check out the "prod" tag has suggested that it be turned into a redirect page, or disambig page I guess; I'll get to that; but I stopped by today about this:

Asked about Beautiful British Columbia photos

Just to let everyone know the situation with BC mag photos; so posting both my request and the response gotten here:

Hi. This is an unusual and perhaps bold request, but I am writing because the old Beautiful British Columbia magazine was part of my upbringing and many of its images are still in my mind as associated with certain places, and there were articles on areas and places that are forgotten about nowadays. I am currently an over-dedicated "Wikipedian" and with othes am fleshing out a full BC history and geography section of Wikipedia, or at least its basic structure. To this end, we are always looking for illustrative photos - but under Wikipedia rules, they must be copyright-expired, or copyright-released, so as to be in the public domain, or something else called GDFL (which is compliated to explain but a search for WP:GDFL at Wikipedia.org should bring up its explanation).
So, I'm wondering as to the status of your photo files, i.e. if the negs/prints for all your older issues are still extant, or even if the half-screenings are scannable; I'm certainly not suggesting a blanket release of materials but in the interests of public education/edification, I hope you may consider some means of providing public viewing, at least, of some of the older image materials, which were such classics of BC scenic photography; obscure stuff like barns or little towns in the Monashees, or somewhere like Alkali Lake, and sometimes even good illustrative shots of plants, e.g. the arbutus trees, which Irembmer a special on; the fruit-industry issues were always brilliant; or pictures of areas like McBride/the Robson Valley, Muncho Lake, Dease Lake - which you jsut can't find anywhere else! I should add I got a lot of my first interest in BC history from your pages.
Anyway, just asking, and also passing on compliments for an always-good mag, and also fond memories of those from the '50s and '60s that I grew up on....one suggestion: a book-compendium of some of those older shots....
Best regards
Skookum1
REPLY
British Columbia Magazine (and, formerly, Beautiful British Columbia) only purchases one-time publication rights for the photographs and articles we print. Copyright reverts back to the contributor soon after our issues are lifted from newsstands. So, unfortunately, we cannot grant you permission to use any of the images shown on our pages--you'd have to communicate directly with the individual photographers.
I suggest that you go through back issues, and make a list of images you'd most like to post on wikipedia, noting the issue number and date, page number, and photographer's name for each. Then, if you can't find e-mail addresses or other contact information for those photographers yourself, I can try to help you out by forwarding your request on to the appropriate people, provided they're still in our database, and there isn't too many.
Sorry I can't be of greater assistance. Best of luck with the project,
Shanna Baker
--
Editorial Department
British Columbia Magazine
Tel: 250-356-5860
Fax: 250-356-5896
www.bcmag.ca

Oh well; but at least we know where to go if we see something we like; and we might be able to sort out the conflicts between US and Canadian copyright laws; I think copyright expiry for images that have appeared in magazines might be different than the usual 100-year rule in the US (vs. our 50-year rule).Skookum1 22:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with Wikicode/letter style

Hi; just about to create an article for Xá:ytem, aka Hatzic Rock, the archaeological site/museum near Mission; but it should properly have an underline-X so I tried "Xá:ytem" but that didn't work; what's the Wikicode for an underlined-letter?Skookum1 19:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, but it worked there, i.e. in regular Wiki text.Skookum1
trying again - [[Xá:ytem]] in case that works for some reason (since it worked in regular non-linked text...Skookum1 20:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that's weird; the presence of the 'u'-html code blocks the wikilink squarebrackets from working as a link....Skookum1 20:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
It might not be possible in the article title, such as titles that should technically be lower case. But you might try the Wikipedia:Help desk. Bobanny 20:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I guess you mean like xwemelch'stn, although in this case the Sto:lo agency governing the site uses a capitalized "X", albeit underlined which is what I'm trying to emulate....but I guess the help desk is the place to go.Skookum1 20:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Got an answer; FYI if interested:

Try 
{{wrongtitle|title=Correct title}}
and see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review!
from the help page.Skookum1 06:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Guess I'll try it; point is I guess is that in Canadian English such spellings are now expected and increasingly commonplace, and a standard for their use has already been established here with the diacritically-complete forms of St'at'imc, Sto:lo, Skwxwu7mesh, Nuxalk, Shishalh etc (though we've been cheating with the use of 7's or ?'s for the glottal stop...), because of their increasingly official stature. I'd venture that the presence of such inflected spellings in English is a unique feature of Canadian English; American and British English may add an accent here or an umlaut there; but an underline-X, a subscript-k/superscript-underline w? Nope, only in Canadian English, and so be it; I'll try the Xa:ytem page in the morning; I meant to get at the Scowlitz Mounds but had to take the book back to the library today and hadn't yet dug out its contents into Wiki form; there's some online stuff on them available I think, but the Daphne Sleigh book People of the Harrison for anyone interested in Fraser Valley or First Nations history; I may eventually get my own copy as it has connections with my existing collection of Pemberton-Bridge River-Lillooet-Fraser Canyon stuff....I made a judgement call, too, because Xa:ytem is one of those words often spelled XA:YTEM (with all diacriticals) in regular text; the uncapitalied version is also used, but there's no way I figure such a full-caps title would have survived a new-file admin's eye; and since the un-fullcaps version exists, might as well use it.Skookum1 06:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Article name query - Volcanic Brown

Volcanic Brown will definitely be the main direct, and the most likely search. If I remember right he was Robert Allan Brown and, following the model I used on Margaret Lally "Ma" Murray, I'm thinking Robert Allan "Volcanic" Brown is the proper main article title; finally getting around to this, albeit it'll still be only "start", but a very rich story and FA candidate eventually, because of content possibilities and the range of involvement in BC mining adventures this guy was into. Also btw "Sunset Brown" and "Crazy Brown" and founder of Volcanic City, purported only white man to ever know the location of Slumach's Lost Creek goldmine, and died looking to find it again (as did most who looked for it). This guy was everywhere in BC mining history....Skookum1 21:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Burrard Peninsula

This article was bugging me for over a year...I posted a couple of questions and comments on the talk page, and received no reply. In the meantime, the WP BC and WP Vancouver templates were added to the talk page. Finally, I expanded and comprehensively rewrote the article today. I took the liberty of uprating the article's class for WP BC from "Stub" to "Start," but I suppose that's presumptuous of me and not good form...but it's clearly no longer a stub. Does someone care to review it? -Sewing 21:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great. I added some more wikilinks and assessed it for WikiVan. The difference between stub and start class is more about whether it has the basic components of an article (subheadings, sources, photos, etc.) than about quality of the content, and so I see no problem in self-assessments in this regard. Bobanny 22:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)