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[edit] Strategy to avoid POV

Any matter involving Bangladesh in pre-1971 era clearly involves Pakistan and the pre-1947 period includes current day India and Pakistan. Fundamentally there is a key issue of finding information with zero POV. Several sources includes Banglapedia provide fairly factual recollections, which prevent political POV's. Read about NPOV. Due to continued tension between India and Pakistan and due to the role played by various extreme forms of nationalism, any attempt to even slightly include inferences would lead to a constant edit-re-edit warfare, which is to be avoided at all costs.

Hence the following strategies are advised to all contributors to articles and references related to Bangladesh, East Pakistan, West Bengal, Bengali and Bengal:

  1. Political statements that would take side of either India or Pakistan should be given up in favour of Bangladeshi perspective when in doubt (only refers to articles on Bangladesh)
  2. When multiple versions of a fact seems to exist, all should be mentioned and described
  3. If there is continued doubt, information provided by the Government of People's Republic of Bangladesh should be considered final and a note should be made to assert this whenever such overriding assumptions are made
  4. An attempt should be made to keep distinct the notions of Bangladesh, Bengal and West Bengal - most importantly Bengal should not be used as a synonym for either Bangladesh or West Bengal
  5. Bengal should not be described as a part of India - instead the more appropriate term West Bengal will be used
  6. With reference to disputed Bangladeshi political opinions, sources should be cited along with the name of the party that claims that notion
  7. Before implementing any change in the content based on elimination of POV will should be noted in the Discussion area and left for a week for refutation before the actual edit is carried out

Some of the above strategies are non-conflicting alternative strategies. When in doubt, one is advised to pick the one that suits the situation best.

[edit] Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

say goodbye to your bengali scripts forever! :-D!--D-Boy 03:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Importance scale and private universities

All the private university of Bangladesh that has an article on WP has received a "Mid" rating on the importance scale. While it is nice to have a blanket rating for a large group of similar articles, we must not lose sight of the fact that many of these universities hardly pass the notability criterion stated as a WP guideline. Most are plagued with shabby operation, repeatedly challenged by the UGC, and many are perpetually tattering on the brink of ceasing operations. Can we downgrade the blanket importance rating to "Low"? There are a lot more things needing desperate attention among Bangladesh articles. Aditya Kabir 08:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project rehash

Work on rehashing the project has started. Arman Aziz and I are currently working on it. Please, join in, if you want to lend a hand. I have also posted a request to AA, who agreed to help. Aditya Kabir 19:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Tasks for now
  • Putting the category tag and the navigation template to all the relevant pages
  • Cleaning up the templates and and other pages related to Bangladesh history project, which has become a workgroup now (it would also need a bit of tweaking with project banner and re-categorization to bring the articles under that project to the workgroup)
  • Cleaning up the main page, which entails cleaning up all traces of the history wikiproject from the main page (some wrong links may still be there), putting in all the Bangladesh related navigation templates along with the districts template
  • Reorganizing and tightening the open task page
  • Creating a geography workgroup, and inviting people to join in
  • Enhancing the collaboration page
  • Enhancing the outreach page, which may also include the creation of a newsletter (ideally bot delivered), an invite template and a welcome template

There surely are more tasks involved. But, I guess, I'm too tired to to remember those. Aditya Kabir 21:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

One important task that should be part of this drive is:

  • Rejuvenating Portal:Bangladesh - especially, by regularizing the selected article, selected picteure and news sections.-Arman Aziz 01:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Great work on the portal. My jaw dropped so fast so low it had to recollected from the from floor in pieces. Hey, do you think a Bangladesh Portal Workgroup could be a good idea? It could be used to coordinate the efforts to maintain the portal. Aditya(talk • contribs) 09:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. On the proposal of creating a workgroup - I think the effort could be better used in some other areas. The Portal talk page can be used for any discussion and it can be assumed that WP Bangladesh is managing Portal:Bangladesh. A workgroup at this point in time will mean the same few active members. We'll just have one additional workgroup page to maintain.-Arman Aziz 10:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Bangladesh

Is it possible to turn this wikiproject into a work group for the mother project? Like it is with Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment? Aditya Kabir 14:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo pool

We desperately need more photos, specifically:

  • People (both PD pix and living people images)
  • Places (ZIA, Kamalapur Station, Dhaka Stadium, Motijheel, Chittagong Port are some examples)
  • Flora and Fauna (shapla, trees etc)
  • Monuments (e.g. Buddhijibi smriti soudho?)

Possible sources are Flickr (search with "Bangladesh" and with Creative common option search) ... we may also ask people at Somewhereinblog or other forums to contribute photos. --Ragib 02:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ragib bhai, thank you for raising this very important issue. I think we need to draw a strategy to address this. Ragib bhai, from your experience, could you please validate the following classification (and the fair-use applicability) of required images:
    • Living people: Fair use image can only be used if the image is of a historically important event and a free alternative is not available.
    • Dead people: A free image should be looked for first. If not available, the best available image on the net should be used as fair-use image!
    • Historical events: same as above.
    • Existing Landmarks (buildings/structures): Fair use image usually not allowed. Wikipedians should try to create these images themselves as these are usually easy to photograph.
    • Locality:same as above.
    • Maps: Should be created / recreated by wikipedians. Historical maps may be available in public domain.
    • Flora and Funa: If endengered species and free image is not available, fair-use image can be used. Else wikipedians should try to create.
    • Logo/Poster/Book-cover/Screenshot: Fairuse allowed only on related article.
    • Everyday objects: Includes food items, dress, tools, instruments etc. Wikipedians should try to create themselves.
Am I missing anything?
Once we agree on the categories, we should try to apply this classification on Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Bangladesh. This should allow us to address the need of images more systematically. Arman (Talk) 06:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Wonderful idea. This classification would perfectly do as a starting point. Finer details will organically evolve as work progresses. Categorizing the request of photo category is an even more awesome idea. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the encouragement. I have started work on the reclassification. But it's a big task to reclassify 1,000s of articles at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Bangladesh. Help from everyone is welcome. Arman (Talk) 10:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Hey, I've got some free images of Dr. M. Osman Farruq (Ministry of Education in Bangladesh) and thinking to upload them whenever possible.--NAHID 13:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I have completed classifying Bangladesh related image requests. I think Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Bangladesh is much more useful now. Interested wikipedians please take a look to see how you can help. Arman (Talk) 02:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest using Free Image Search tool for this. Enter category "Wikipedia requested photographs in Bangladesh", select "1" sub-categories deep, select show only images with free licenses. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 05:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Good suggestion and yes I have found FIST to be useful. I have added a few images from the search results. We also need to search for the subcategories separately. Arman (Talk) 07:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title change

How do I correct the name of an article? Particularly, I am trying to correct the title of 'Ullahpara Upazila' to 'Ullapara Upazilla'. Zahur (Talk) 12:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Try the move button right next to the history button. Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Victory day
Observed by: People of Bangladesh
Name Bijoy Dibosh
Meaning: Victory day
Begins: 16 December
Ends 16 December
Occasion To commemorate the surrender of Pakistan forces in the Bangladesh Liberation War
Symbols: Curry and Rice
Related to: Independence Day

Farsad, a highly active and enthusiastic user has joined the community. He has already created this tabe to be used on Victory Day (Bangladesh). I have removed it from that page because of the ungainly coding and parameters. But, with the codes and parameters fixed we can turn this very good idea into a common infobox for all Bangladeshi celebration days, like Pohela Baishakh and Chaitra Sangkranti and whatnot. Aditya(talk • contribs) 03:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphan pages

We have a few pages that are not being used, and the probability is high that these pages will not be used in the current form in future. Here is a list:

Can we device a way to integrate these de facto orphan pages, and bring the attention of the larger community to them? May be an archive, appropriate leading devices (stuff that leads to them), rearrangement of use of the project or something? Aditya(talk • contribs) 06:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I see the point. Regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Competition page: this page is linked from the outreach page, so it is not "technically" an orphan. We'll need this page once the competition kicks off, for all "behind the scene" discussion about the competition. I hope this makes sense. Arman (Talk) 09:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I was thinking it would be the Deshipedia talk page that would discuss stuff. But, yes, this makes more sense. Aditya(talk • contribs) 14:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Banglapedia source

May be we need to replace all banglapedia.search.com.bd with banglapedia.org links. The latter is the official website of Banglapedia. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Bangladeshi people by District of Origin

I'm proposing to introduce this new category as a subcategory of Category:Bangladeshi people. Underneath this new category we'll have 64 sub-categories for each district: e.g. Category:People from Mymensingh, Category:People from Rajshahi etc. The 64 sub categories may be better organized under 6 divisional level categories (e.g. People from Sylhet Division). Once these categories are established and mapped to relevant Bangladeshi people articles, we can add the name of the category under See also section of Division and District level articles. This will eliminate the need of maintaining any separate "List of Notable People from X District" section. Please provide your comments / suggestions here. If no objections, I'll start working on this when I have some free time. Arman (Talk) 11:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice wholesome idea. A couple of observations - (1) since there are not too many articles to put under each of categories, may be for now we need to refrain from creating categories like "Actors of Barguna District"; (2) many of the distrcits probably will not have any person to feature, and therefore those categories may be created later (it used to be a convention, when WP had the process of category creation request strongly in place, that called for at leat thrirty or so inclusion candidates before creating a category; (3) some of the people would have a background that calls for an inclusion in multiple districts (born in Kushtia to parents from Habiganj, stdied in Rajshahi before working in Rangamati... or something like it), and it may be worthwhile to have it that way (i.e. multiple entries). And, oh, this thread looks like a "Straegy discussion". Would you mind shifting the thread there? Cheers. Aditya(talk • contribs) 12:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, just one minor point, I am not proposing to mix up occupational and district categorization yet. That is, I'm proposing to create "People from Borguna District" but not "Actors from Borguna District". Arman (Talk) 05:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)