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[edit] Regarding ethnic makeup of Khoy

According to Encyclopaedia of Islam, Khoy is mixed city of Azeris and Kurds [1].Heja Helweda 03:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This citation appears to be to a commercial database available by subscription only. It is not a reference to the Martin, Richard C. (ed.) (2004) Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World Macmillan Reference USA, New York, 820 pp. 2 vols. The Islamic Desk Reference p. 208 says: "Khoi (Khuy): Iranian town in West Azerbaijan which was of great strategic importance in Safawid and Qajar times." It does not mention ethnicity. The Islamic Desk Reference was compiled from The Encyclopedia of Islam by E. van Donzel, published by E.J. Brill in 1994. The Gibbs, H.A.R. The Encyclopaedia of Islam was first published in 1954, and has been through several editions. --Bejnar (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

If you wish to edit the demographics in the West Azarbaijan Province article, (1) discuss it on the talk page, and (2) provide sources IAW Wikipedia policy. --Bejnar 20:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

My friend, i have been in all of these cities and i know the ethnic make up of the cities, what i have changed is because it is a fact, please don't change it again. Sorry for my poor En. I have also edited the unofficial names of the cities. I have source for the make up of the cities, but not on the net, sorry --21:11, 18 July 2007 84.209.82.200 (talk) (contribs)
If you have a source, please list it. It does not have to be on the net. But it does have to be a published reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. --Bejnar 21:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More About Demographics

I don't think changing current section which deals with demographics of this province is a good idea , specially if someone tries to document it with percentage or numbers. The reason behind of it is that actually until now central government of Iran has never done any statistical research which be based on ethnicity or religion , and had never let other organizations to do it,so any comment about numbers at best is just a guess. I think that retaining the older text which was the final fruit of a hot discussion after nearly one year is enough until an official statistical data (which is so unlikely) be published. --80.191.10.161 16:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, especially about having finally reached consensus, if not agreement. I have removed the percentages inserted by 84.209.82.200 as no reliable source was forthcoming. --Bejnar 16:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone has again changed the demographics without discussion. I have reverted those changes. --Bejnar (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I just removed the whole thing since there has never been an official statistics done on each region of the province. And we have many ips and anonymous editors who keep vandalizing it. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
i suggest Bejnar to first prove his hypothesis about demographic status of cities in West Azerbaijan province and then force his statistics which i believe it is fake. by the way we have 18 cities with population higher than or above 10,000 in the province. numbers and population is mentioned in your favorite table is incorrect and incompatible with your mentioned references see following link which is reference number 18 in this article: west azerbaijan statistics --Sehend1 (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Borders

One editor said "The present borders of the province are the artifact of the Iranian official cartography and do not correspond with the borders of historic Azarbaijan (which ended where the highlands began)." Another editor changed it to "Although the present borders of the province are compatible with natural borders of historical Azerbaijan or Atropatene, it does not correspond with the ethnic demography of Iran." Neither provided a citation for their statements. In looking at a map of Atropatene, it appears that it was not the same as current West Azarbaijan Province + East Azarbaijan Province. It went further north and west. I have requested citations for the current version, if they are not forth coming I will restore the former version which seems to be in accord with the historical maps. --Bejnar (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I suppose Bejnar didn't look at the map correctly. if you print map of media Atropatne and north west Iran it is obvious that its is bigger than east Azerbaijan, west Azerbaijan, Ardabil and Zanjan provinces. in west part it includes definitely entire West Azerbaijan province and north part of Kurdistan province including its center Sanandaj. We should not be biased to any ethnic in wikipedia. any statement should be based on history, geography and current demography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sehend1 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed meaning for 'west' in Azeri and Fazaei

dear Sahand Azeri script in Iran is what they call perso/Arabic script. It was Cyrilic in the republic of Azerbaijan but is changed to Latin similar to what Kurds and Turks of Turkey use. The reason was that Elchibey who changed it was a sell out. No one has ever asked Azeri epople and let stand Iranian Azeris whether or not they agree with this. I am not a fan of Arabic based alphabets either, but the official script for Azeri in Iran is this. The placenames and personal names in Iran should be written this way. sagh ol --Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


Another thing is that bati Azerbaycan is not an Azeri word. it should be Gharbi Azerbaijan. Bati is Anatolian/istanbuli Turkish. You also asked why I myself use X instead of Kh. I do belive that the correct transliteration of Kh in Persian, Azeri, Kurdish and other languages of Iran is x. It is also the charachter which serves for kh in Unpipers. But again the official script in different--Babakexorramdin (talk) 23:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

you are free to give a transliteration but bati Azerbaycan in istanbuli Turkish is not allowed.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 00:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

|Sahand read this and do not delete my comments again. I put it here because you deleted them elsewhere. please refrain from personal attacks and accusations. What kind of force I use? And is it me who has made alphabets? And please go and learn your language. I am also not accusing you being influenced by Israel and Panturks, so please no nonsense and accept the things as they are. No war with me. Peeple who know me, know that tI am sympathetis to the different languages and ethnic groups of Iran. You accusations are baseless.OK?--Babakexorramdin (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Sehend and Babakkhorramdin currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on West Azarbaijan Province. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. This has nothing to do with the merits of the dispute, it has to do with cooperative editing. --Bejnar (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Bejnar Thanks for your message. I didn't start editing war. Babakexorramdin started it by forcing Persian script to Azeris. even we accept persian script, He added a word that is not grammatically correct in Azeri with Persian script. to solve it i added west Azerbaijan translation in Azeri in both Latin and persian scripts. i don't know why he thinks we should follow his idea to use Fazeri (a fake language which uses completely Persian words with one azeri verb at the end). For instance in Azeri similar to English adjective comes first followed by a noun. But in Farsi noun comes first. Babakexorramdin wanted to force Perisan words for west( غربی )and Azerbaijan(آذربایجان) and suggests using غربی آذربایجان. hence, we don't use غ as the first word in Azeri. --Sehend1 (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

now good? Rahat shodi? Hala adminha umadan name Azario pak kardan. lotfan ham inghadr farso kordo Azario ina dar nayar. Ma hame irani hastim. Xodam na Azariam na kor na Fars. Amma tu familemun ham Azari darim ham fars. no problem.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sehend1"--Babakexorramdin (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC) PS: Anyone who calls the Azerbaijani language of Iran az Fazeri (Fazei) is disrespectful and does not know the history of Azeri language. Nasimi and Fuzuli wrote in this language.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed non-English names

I have removed the offending language here, pending consensus. One editor prefers:

(Persian:آذربایجان غربی Āzarbāijān-e Gharbī; Azeri: Batı (qərbi) Azərbaycan or قربی آذربایجان; Kurdish: Azerbaycanî Rojawa or آذربایجانی روژاوه)

The other editor prefers:

(Persian: آذربایجان غربی Āzarbāijān-e Gharbī; Azeri: غربی آذربایجانGarbi Azarbayjan ; Kurdish: Azarbayjanî Rozhawaآذربایجانی روژاوه)

Anyone besides Babakexorramdin and Sehend1 have an option? --Bejnar (talk) 21:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Roman representation in each language must be kept, regardless of the degree of its use in Iran. I am not certain about Kurdish, but with Azeri, the Roman script enjoys a recognised official status throughout the world and dominates in the Azeri-language publications. Here is my suggestion:
(Persian: آذربایجان غربی - Āzarbāijān-e Gharbī; Azeri: قربی آذربایجان - Qərbi Azərbaycan; Kurdish: آذربایجانی روژاوه - Azerbaycanî Rojawa)
The word batı is not used in literary Azeri commonly, if at all. The universal word for western is qərbi. Parishan (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)