Talk:Wayne McCullough

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I really like the way this article has developed since two months ago when it was just this stub; it's looking really good now. Congrats to all those who have contributed. I just have one doubt. Is it true that Wayne was boxing for Ireland when he won his silver medal? Considering he was born in Northern Ireland and fought for N.I. in the Commonwealth Games, I would have thought he would have gone to the Olympics in the United Kingdom team. Can anyone clarify this? --GringoInChile 15:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Not sure of the reasons why, but McCullough did compete for the Republic of Ireland in '92. Maybe he wasn't offered a place in the British team. He's a protestant from the Shankill Road, making it one of the rare instances of religion staying out of Northern Irish sport. Stu 09:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Irish sport has stayed free from sectariansism for some time. The majority of Northern Irish sportspeople compete for Ireland for funding reasons, for simplicity and due to cross-border government initiatives. Most secterian people in the province don't get anyware when it comes to sport.

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[edit] Nationality

This guy is not American. It would be tenuous enogh to include his nationality as only American even if he had applied for it, but he hasn't as far as I'm aware, and he definately isn't a "naturalised" American citizen. I hate to disappoint any "Irish-Americans" but he was born in Belfast and that's were he learnt his trade. This isn't the 19th century where you can claim anyone who strays into your country and stays there for more than six months. If your home-grown white fighters aren't that successful for a country with 221.3 million caucasians, try not to take away from other countries. Anyway surely he'd be "Scotch-Irish".

"Scotch-Irish" - is most likely his ethnicity not his nationality. Wayne has an American passport and the "nationality" field in the info box clearly showed that its by way of naturalisation. Also, please take snipey comments about US boxers to a boxing forum if you wish as they have no place here. Thank you.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

So why does he come under Irish-American boxers? Seeing as he probably holds a British passport why does United Kingdom not follow his nationality as well? Anyway, because a far more authoritive source, Boxrec, states that he is British, why should you be able to decide? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.217.88 (talk) 17:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Vintagekits: How does this not violate this restriction of yours: "2. He will avoid any disputes regarding national flags or nationality on those pages." — Rlevse • Talk • 20:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The source already cited in the article says he is an American citizen. Is VK to be prohibited from reverting IP POV warriors who add incorrect information to articles about living people? Domer48 (talk) 21:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

What dispute am I in? some IP with a couple of edits tries to say "Scotch-Irish" is a nationality and then makes an edit with providing a source and starts talking nonsense on talk pages. I simply reverted the edit and add an explanation as to why this was done. Now he seems to have reverted this - have I rereverted? no - because I am not going to get involved in a dispute. I am going to let someone else sort out his bullshit! As for who the IP is - it would possibly only take a few guesses! slan agus slainte.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. I already proposed to Rlevse that he block the IP if we can figure out who it is. In fact, I will personally revert any edits from a sockpuppet you can name. However, just because you discredit the opinions of the other person does not mean it's a violation of the terms, which this undoubtably is. The Evil Spartan (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

"which this undoubtably is" - eh no! how is it? Maybe you should go away and read BLP and then come back to me!--Vintagekits (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the terms overstepped the discussion: "Well, rather than restrict him from editing those, we simply advise him to not get involved in any flag/nationality disputes. There is plenty of editing to be done without getting bogged down in the flag issue. If he avoids the disputes he will be fine, if gets involved and loses his temper, he risks being banned per the terms. Ultimately, we can do our best to protect him from others and himself, but there has to be some level of self regulation. That is where he will succeed or fail. Rockpocket 23:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC) "[1] (emphasis mine) It appears that the intention is to not be involved in the flag/nationality dispute, but that does not preclude him from correcting factual errors, or explaining his edits related to them on the talk page of the article, as he has done here. I have asked for an independent check of the IP. In the interim, VK, feel free to call on me to review any similar situations; as expected, different admins are interpreting things ever so slightly differently, and it would be a rather absurd situation to get busted over. In this specific case, there is a reference from a very reliable source specifically describing his naturalization ceremony, and including quotes from the boxer describing why he became an American citizen. The article is now correct. This issue should now be considered resolved please. Risker (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for disruption for two weeks. As for the issue with Vintagekits, I'm talking about the US/UK citizenship issue, that is certainly an area he shouldn't be venturing. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the block, Rlevse, probably a good idea under the circumstances. I understand what you are saying here about the citizenship thing, it's right at the edge of the restriction; correcting factual errors in a BLP is something that shouldn't be a problem, and he did bring it to the talk page when his correction was reverted, so I'm hard pressed to say it went as far as being a dispute. On the other hand, it's likely this won't be the last time that incorrect or unsourced information on nationalities is added to one of VK's articles in the run-up to the Olympics, so it might be an idea to develop some sort of process for him to bring other eyes to the situation. Perhaps we should retire to Vintagekit's talk page to hammer out something. Risker (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

After I saw, Vintagekits' response, I came to the same conclusion. As for future citizenship issues, I strongly suggest he discuss on talk pages first, otherwise, you're correct, we'll end up in this situation again. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Vk pretty much did the right thing here, I'd say. If, after being reverted, he can't resolve a nationality dispute by discussion, all he has to do is draw the attention of an admin familiar with his conditions to the situation. Rockpocket 17:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"our best to protect him from others and himself,"

Why don't you get a life? Play police officer in private.

You can claim he's entirely American if it satisfies your inferiority complex but he won his title only two years after arriving in America, so if you think that this means "WASP" fighters can stand up to blacks and Mexicans and so you can claim some sort of racial satisfaction, through the internet I might add, go ahead. It only exists on the internet though. Just remember that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.219.199 (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Given that the only American-born F1 champion, Phil Hill won in 1961, twelve years after coming to England and then joining the Italian Scuderia Ferarri seven years later, I think I'll change his nationality to British because he spent most of his time learning his trade in Britain.