Talk:War (album)

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[edit] Redirect

Shouldn't Sunday Bloody Sunday (song) redirect here? Jwrosenzweig 06:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

There's a page for it now. --Kristbg 05:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cover Art

I think there should be a section about the cover art, or at least the name of the model, since this cover has become iconic. Unfortunatly I don't know any of this information but rather was actually looking for it.

Better late than never... his name is Peter Rowan. Hoof Hearted 21:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

A song from this album have been tagged for merging here. These articles fail WP:MUSIC:

Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.

If this song has charted, received any awards, been featured in major films or TV shows or anything else that makes them notable according to WP:MUSIC, please update this article (with references) and remove the {{tl:mergeto}} tag. Otherwise, please merge it into this article for the album.

Could you please list the songs from this album that you would like to see merged? MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Drowning Man (song) --Rtphokie (talk) 17:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I am currently cleaning-up/re-writing the album in an attempt to get it to GA. I've merged "Like A Song..." and will merge "Drowning Man" shortly. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] U2 (War) Reissues

It looks like June 10 (not May 20) for the first two, then June 24 (not May 20 and unknown) for the next two. Please provide comment other than "Amazon has known to be wrong," which I know. Fantailfan (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

More to the point, I pre-ordered the first 3 on February 12th. On March 8, 2008 I received an email from amazon requesting that I reconfirm the order since the release date had change. "Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the new release date:"Fantailfan (talk) 02:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I originally removed the statement because at this point, a reissue is still speculation. You provided Amazon as a link, but it's hardly a reliable reference. I've lost count of the number of times that Amazon has had an item up, only for the release date to be changed or the product removed entirely. My thinking is that until the band, the record label, or another reliable source actually announces a plan to re-release a remastered edition of War (along with Boy and October), then it is nothing more than original research. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree that Reliable Sourcing is the problem. I have looked in vain for an official or link to an official announcement (on blogs/fansites(non-RS), U2.com(RS), etc.). My information came from Steve Hoffman Music Forums to Pause & Play's On The CD Front to Amazon. I ordered, as I said, on Feb 12th. Preorders involve no financial commitment on anyone's part but have an effect on Amazon's credibility, especially when it comes to super-mega-acts like U2. When The Feelies' Crazy Rhythms re-release was available for preorder from Amazon and later pulled, it was because of a legal matter—the label allegedly didn't have the right to re-issue the product—but the "cred impact" was minimal. However, given the recent Moby Grape and The Song Remains the Same (film) audio/video re-release fiascoes (both were pulled because of legal issues) I hope that Amazon, as the most visible online retailer, are more circumspect. "Hope," however, is not a Reliable Source.
I do not know how information on the The Joshua Tree re-releases made their way from a reliable source to here (though I suppose I could look). --Fantailfan (talk) 12:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
When the Joshua Tree re-release was first mentioned, I believe that it was included in the article because there was source that contained a statement made by Universal Austria (please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly). There was additional confirmation a little while later from u2.com. I see that you've commented the information out for now in this article; should it be commented out in the Boy and October mentions too? I would also like to hear some input from Merbabu and Dream out Loud on this. MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
The Boy re-release is mentioned at u2star.com, which sources undercover.com. It does not source back further. --Fantailfan (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

If a statement from the band, its management or its record company can be found in a reputable source, then they can be put in. It doesn’t have to be U2.com but second hand from a reliable source. Clearly though, there are problems sourcing it from a retail outlet (ie, Amazon) when no-one else has heard about it. --Merbabu (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone's heard of it and there are even catalog numbers (see All Music Guide, CD Universe and HMV Japan) but there are no official statements. Even the Boy details are copied verbatim from a single source with no apparent original source. Argh. Fantailfan (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Has there been any mention made by Rolling Stone, Hot Press, etc? Both would qualify as reliable sources, and I seem to remember that Rolling Stone had a one-or-two sentence mention about the Joshua Tree a couple of weeks before it was officially announced. It's possible that a similar mention has been made for Boy/October/War that may have been missed. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Edit: I found a mention in Rolling Stone about the band remastering more albums, but it only talks about Boy (the mention was one of those "News Tickers"). I've added that information to the Boy page. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)