User talk:WaltCip

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[edit] READ THIS FIRST!

From January 1st, I will not answer your messages in a constructive manner unless you let me know in some shape or form you have read the following. So don't complain if you receive a sarcastic jab just because you didn't say "I've read your notice".

More likely than not, you're here to comment about my stance regarding the Esperanza MFD.

Before you do, let me first let you know that my comments provided during the MFD are made solely on my interpretation of facts and truths seen by detailed reading, rather than letting my emotions cloud judgment.

I for one, don't embed subliminal messages through linking by telling you to kindly read facts - that's ridiculous and even I try to avoid it except when I'm trying to be cordial. If it was up to me, I would have WP:DICK gone in an instant because of the way people misuse it. Rather, I try to be as cordial as possible without looking like a clown. I would say "Please read the nom and WP:NOT" - no subliminal messaging, no flaming, nothing of that sort. People tell me I'm nasty and harassing for presenting cold information; they obviously haven't seen the worst of Wikipedia.

Remember, assume good faith, be civil, be cool, be detailed, and don't stuff beans up your nose.--WaltCip 02:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hello, WaltCip, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you will enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! You can sign your name on talk and voting pages using four tildes, (~~~~), which produces your username, the time, and the date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- getcrunkjuicecontribs 17:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks for the support on the Fascist category page, your statement is very true and to the point. Usually I would not be so "riled up" about such things as categories but I'm sick and tired of playing the black sheep to everyone's narrow-minded mentality. Thanks again though. Piecraft 14:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attack warning

Please do not randomly label other editors "aristocrats" - it comes across as a violation of WP:CIVIL. Accusing two good-faith editors with a long history of good contributions of sockpuppetry is most unwise and is a nasty violation of WP:AGF. If you still harbour doubts about the validity of the votes of myself and Folantin, then please take up the case at WP:RFCU. Thank you. Moreschi 14:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing. Any more behaviour like that and I will have no hesitation in posting at the Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard and/or lodging a WP:RFC. Thank you. Moreschi 14:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm fully aware of the issue, and as you can see on the Poetry discussion, I have apologized. This is not the kind of message that I like to wake up to in the morning, thanks.--WaltCip 15:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cao Yang Middle School (2nd nomination) - why did you use a different user name to nominate the article and similarly with other schools? JoshuaZ 21:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you've got guts to sling around sock puppet accusations like that, especially in my personal Talk page. I do NOT use a sock puppet (you can run a user check on me if you want). When I said, "I take offense to being blatantly named a sockpuppet," I did NOT say "I am a sockpuppet." I am not a sockpuppet, nor do I willingly conform to or condone the activities of a sockpuppet. Read WP:AGF carefully, and the next time you want to throw mud, look before doing so, or I'll have the admins on you in a flash.--WaltCip 21:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
And so the reason the article was actually nominated by User:Puerto De La Cruz is because...? JoshuaZ 00:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
The exact reason that he stated: verifiability. What's your point? --WaltCip 00:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
So the nomination was made by your sock. Could you explain why you choose to use a sock?JoshuaZ 01:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Call me a sock one more time and I'm taking this to the Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard. I'm not a sock, I'm voting just like everyone else.--WaltCip 01:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
So is User:Puerto De La Cruz you or not? JoshuaZ 01:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Puerto De La Cruz is NOT me.--WaltCip 01:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
So why did you say this? JoshuaZ 01:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Because I felt offended by being referred to as a mere sock puppet rather than an actual person. Plus, an accusation of sock puppetry is a violation of WP:AGF - kind of like what you're borderlining right now. Furthermore, I was citing the reason the article was to be deleted - WP:V.--WaltCip 01:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, what makes you think he was referring to you? He was reffering to the nominator being a sock. That should be obvious from the context. JoshuaZ 01:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
If that's the case, it's my mistake. But the deletion was legitimate, and saying "this is part of massive sockpuppet nominations" seemed to, I thought, refer to everyone who voted Delete.--WaltCip 01:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding "accusations of sockpuppetry"

I wasn't accusing anyone of being a sockpuppet, merely that I found it interesting they were automatically voting on nom's AfDs. I also took heat from that, so WP:AGF for me too :) -- See (1) (2) --JStalk 05:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Word association

Well, the difference between "no consensus" and "keep" is pretty much semantics, because the result in both cases is exactly the same. Consensus doesn't mean "the debate is unfinished", it means there's no real agreement but people should agree to disagree since the nomination is now closed.

The reason I listed this as "no consensus" is because I considered the four "sandbox" nominations together; the argumentation for and against deletion of all four of them is pretty much the same, and several of the commenters are also the same. The four as a whole don't show anything much of a consensus, hence I closed all four in the same way. But since this is mostly semantics I wouldn't mind changing it to 'keep' if that makes you happy. (Radiant) 09:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You've got to be kidding

Found this on the AFD for the Half Life 1 mods.

"The result was delete, despite sockpuppetry. Not one valid 'keep' vote. Proto::type 16:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)"

Founded on what? Did you user check every person who supported the keep for the nom? My keep vote was valid and not based on sockpuppetry. A mass majority of keeps was collected, and yet, you found it fit to declare that the debate, out of process, was a successful deletion. What do you intend? This, I believe, is a violation of WP:ASG and Wikipedia deletion policy. Rethink your actions seriously. In the meantime I'm putting the AfD up for review.--WaltCip 21:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No, the keeps were not valid. I didn't mean to imply this was because they were all from sockpuppets. They were just not based on policy, or even guidelines, just variations on the theme of 'I like this, it is useful'. Please, do take your query to Wikipedia:Deletion review. Proto::type 09:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

My apologies for wasting your time by creating the nonsense category Wikipedians who stop the cars and wave in the children.
Please accept this peace dove.
Wdflake

[edit] A friendly reminder

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

Xiner 17:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

WaltCip, I've answered you on my talkpage. Having a quick look through your contribs, I'm struggling to see any mainspace work. Maybe that's why my comment upset you so. Check out this page. There are tons of suggestions and links on it. Maybe you'll find a way that you can be more constructive. Happy holidays. Grace Note 02:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hello Walt, I don't believe we've met before. In any case, I'd like to thank you for complimenting my vote in the Esperanza MFD. It's great when another friendly voice like yourself shines through such an emotionally charged situation. Many thanks again, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 20:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your userboxes

Hi, WaltCip, I have adjusted your userboxes to show up, as their name changed after the userbox migration. Have a nice day! bibliomaniac15 01:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Word Disassociation

I saw your comment on the talk page for Word Association. If you are interested, I have revived the Word disassociation game. There is a link on the regular WA page. Squad51 18:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Esperanza

I don't think that the deletion review on Esperanza should be speedy closed. I see a need in the project, and you are right about its old counterparts becoming seperate projects; but I want to make it into a more encyclopedia encourging project; plus many of esperanza's old projects were deleted. Which I too want back. I think people should show pride for wikipedia. Eaomatrix 14:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a note in re the {{spa}} tag

Noticing on the Super Mario Bros Z AFD, you've put your signature after the spa tag. This seems to obfuscate things a touch, and makes the post look like yours. I'm not sure it's necessary to sign those. Just sayin'. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

Although we have different views on the suicide DRV, but I think a smile would prevent the differing opinions to escalate to personal level :-) When the heated debate subsides, everything would return to normal. I've tried to reach a compromise in the suicide controversy, by creating User:Wooyi/sdissues, you can go take a look and see it's acceptable. I've contacted Cyde Weys but he has not responded to the compromise yet. Regards. WooyiTalk to me? 19:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

WooyiTalk to me? has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

[edit] Waste of time

First of all WAltCIp who would waste there time just being on wikipedia to discuse if categories should be deleted or stay respectivly. That is a waste of time. Next I did read your thing fisrt up top. Finaly agian it is a waste of time. No offense. Hope I did not hurt your feelings just hoped a little advice may help.Hpsander456 21:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

  • To quote Johnny Five, "Input!"--WaltCip 02:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PS again

Please check out this MFD. Your opinion is welcome and requested since you particiated in the original MFD. /Blaxthos 22:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Psuedoreligionist Wikipedians

As you may already be aware, Category:Psuedoreligionist Wikipedians and its subcategories, Category:Discordian Wikipedians, Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterist Wikipedians, Category:SubGenius Wikipedians, and others, have been deleted. That deletion is now up for review. If you have anything you'd like to say on the subject, now is the time. If you know of any other editors who might have something to say on the subject, pass the word. If, on the other hand, you are not interested in the slightest, feel free to delete this.   — The Storm Surfer 00:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Citizens of Milky Way UCfD

You said, "While highly populated, it serves no ultimate purpose."

  • It depends on whether or not you read Douglas Adams novels. :) --WaltCip 23:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquette Notice

Note: user has read READ ME FIRST! as requested

Per Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts, a discussion has been opened as to the discussion in Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion#Category:Wikipedians_who_survived_cancer. Per the Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts guidelines, the process is straightforward and it is suggested all parties follow through as directed on that page. Respectfully, Mikebar 07:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] That MfD

Thanks for your patience. Yeah, I gave him some advice on deletionism as soon as I noticed that was up for MfD. I doubt he'll withdraw it, but nonetheless this shouldn't be a problem anymore. Anyway, I do appreciate your understanding on this matter. Cheers, The Hybrid T/C 15:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. Hopefully I'll be able to bring his war on the existence of personal userboxen and the userbox migration itself to a peaceful end, and teach him the joys of newpage patrol ;). Cheers, The Hybrid T/C 15:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Wikipedians

I'm currently working on the "overhaul" that you're talking about. I've been attempting to take this at a slow pace. Would you be willing to at least post-pone your nomination for about a month? I would appreciate it. - jc37 16:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. (Though you could have just removed the nom from the page rather than just closed it, if you wished, I suppose it doesn't matter either way.) - jc37 16:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
It would seem prudent to close the nomination as withdrawn, rather than deny its existence, even though the UCFD lasted for only an hour. People need to be made aware that there are problems with the user category system. Call it an exercise of process, if you will.--WaltCip 16:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Whichever you prefer. As an option, you could move the nom to the talk page to start a discussion about your concerns as well.
As for what I'm doing, I've tried to take it slowly, since I know that for some, identification can be a personal thing (as we've seen lately with a few of the nominations), and I would like to have this process be as little disruptive as possible. - jc37 17:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Might I suggest that a better venue be found for discussing the problem of user categories? UCFD doesn't seem to get a lot of traffic. It would seem a little more sensible to bring it up on the village pump to get some more generalized discussion moving. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 21:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Users' Alliance

Please note: this message is being sent out to all involved parties. Dear Friend, the Wikipedia Users’ Alliance has been deleted. I am sure that perhaps you already knew this. I myself just found out. Anyhow during the debate many mean and rude things where said. I am not innocent myself; I too contributed to the unpleasantness. But now Wikipedia Users’ Alliance is dead, gone forever. But we all must move on, for me and my friends, we have to deal with this loss. However it is important that all of us work together to fight vandalism and not argue with one another. There are many things that I want to say, but I know that they would only add to the mean sprit that fills the “air”. As a Buddhist (Risshō Kōsei Kai) I was reading the Holy Dhammapada yesterday. I came across this line, “Holding onto anger is like holding on to a hot coal with the intent to throw it at someone, in the end you are the one who gets burned,” how true! Lets us progress forward. WUA Founder User: King of Nepal has expressed similar views such as these to me via e-mail. His majesty said, “We have to move on, move forward. It is in the best interest of Wikipedia and us all.” I agree and hope that you do to. Thanks. --Greenwood1010 13:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC) Co-founder of the WUA. If you feel that you recived this message in error please let me know. Feel free to responed on my page if you wish.

[edit] Thanks for your vote

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a vote of (53/0/1).

As a token of my appreciation, please accept this bowl of tzatziki.

I feel honored to be trusted by so many of you. Wikipedia is such a large community, that my acceptance in the face of such large numbers truly is humbling. I will use my new tools to continue the tasks for which you entrusted them to me.

Gratefully, EncycloPetey (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Prester John

Your recent message on this talk page was not appropriate. No user at Wikipedia is required to be a liberal- or to adopt any particular political point of view. Please, refrain from giving advice in situations where you are not familiar with the relevant policies; incorrect information can confuse and upset other users. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I beg to differ; a majority of the users are.--WaltCip (talk)
I'm not sure that I'd agree with that; I've never seen a study of the question, and so many Wikipedians come from other countries with different kinds of political divides, that it would be a touch study to conduct. In any case, there is no policy saying that conservatives are not permitted to edit, and many conservatives do edit Wikipedia usefully, so you were incorrect to tell another user that he was required to change his politics to edit. If you would like to create a policy that forbids anyone but liberals to edit, you should get community consensus for that policy before you start trying to enforce it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Great success!
Thank you for supporting my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 53-3-2. Special thanks goes to Shalom for both the suggestion and the nomination. I'm honored by the trust that the community has shown in me, and will do my very best as an administrator. Thanks again! faithless (speak) 08:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration case you should know about

Before getting involved with Betacommand and the large flamewar around him I think you ought to read about his arbitration case and consider that many of those personal attacks, while certainly innapropriate, may well be responses to recieved insults or worse. I got my foot caught in that mess just by pointing out calling people "dumbasses" is innapropriate and promptly got a nice intimidating threat posted on my talk page. Personally I'd stay out of it alltogether before you get caught up in it like I did. Superslash (talk) 04:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Why do I find it odd, then, if that man is such a troll as you say he is, I haven't been personally attacked by him yet? If anything, I've been personally attacked by the people who get angry at him.--WaltCip (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
    • If I were to guess I'd say it's because you've shown support for him which gets you on his good side and the bad side of the people that oppose him. As far as me saying he is a troll, I don't say it, I just link to the records of his behavior. Superslash (talk) 02:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AN/I

It's located on a subpage at Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents/Great Cabal Debate. My reasoning behind the deletions was not simply a healthy dose of IAR, but I felt that simply deleting them would be better than going through a long, messy discussion/MFD/DRV/MFD again, etc. That would have been a worse time sink than the cabals themselves. Keilana|Parlez ici 12:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for voting Keep in my MfD poll. With your help, the debate ended with "no consensus" (although a large majority voted to "keep"). --GHcool (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, it's true the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution is not a Wikipedia policy, but I still feel that your freedom to speech is a very reasonable reward for your service. A pity they closed it as "no consensus," it would've been nice to have a hard-fast consensus on this type of issue.--WaltCip (talk) 21:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)