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[edit] f-35b

can the f-35b actually perform a vertical take off?

Reply: Yes, for further information check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F35#F-35B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.161.234 (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Only aircraft ??

The term VTVL redirects here, and its commonly used for rocket powered vehicles. There are/have been several of them around, DC-X, Japanese RVT, Armadillo Aerospace platforms, Masten Space, TVG Rockets, Blue Origin, the list goes on.

Once again, VTVL should not redirect here. The entire Northrop Grumman Lunar Lander challenge deals with VTVL rocketcraft and its not mentioned here, and nor has any business of being here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savuporo (talk • contribs) 21:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for move

I moved this to match the other four in the series. They were all listed by acronym. -Joseph 21:07, 2004 Sep 6 (UTC)

I moved it back after someone did a revert on the name. Everyone knows it under the name "VTOL," it matches the series, and there are 52,700 hits for "VTOL" and only 7,000 for "Vertical Take-off and Landing." Also, most of the Wiki links point to the acronym. -Joseph 15:56, 2004 Sep 9 (UTC)
It is completely normal for the acronym to have more links than the full title. Just also CIA: 84 million ghits, Central Intelligence Agency: less than 2 million ghits. But in an encyclopedia the header must be by the full title. I suggest "Vertical Take-off and Landing" as the article's name and VTOL as the redirect. The same for ALL similar cases. -- Magioladitis 10:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's naming conventions for abbreviations do allow acronyms to be used as article titles in certain cases, usually when the acronym is pronounced as a word. NASA is just one example. Since VTOL is usually pronounced Vee-tol, it should be allowable. - BillCJ 10:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] X-Wing

If the X-Wing takes off in the manner of a helicopter, and helicopters are not considered to use "VTOL", then is it valid to suggest that the X-Wing does?--Jeffro77 23:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because once it has taken off, it flies using wings, like an aeroplane. The Osprey takes off like a helicopter too. Joffeloff 21:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VTOL != rotorcraft?

I'm not at all sure that this is true. Does anyone have a clear citation for that?WolfKeeper 12:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like a citation for that as well. From what I understand, helicopters ARE considered VTOL's. Malamockq 07:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

According to NATO's defenition of an VTOL aircraft(A Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing aircraft (aéronef à décollage court et atterrissage vertical) is a fixed-wing aircraft capable of clearing a 15 m (50 ft) obstacle within 450 m (1500 ft) of commencing take-off run, and capable of landing vertically), not all rotorcraft, such as autogyros are able to comply to NATO's defention.Dutchy 14:34, 27 November 2007 (GMT+1) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.161.234 (talk)

If that's the definition, then rotary-wing aircraft cannot be considered VTOL, because the definition specifies "fixed-wing aircraft". Which seems pretty wacky to me, but governing bodies have all sorts of goofy rules. EvilCouch (talk) 10:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
That's one datapoint, but Britannica seems to consider that rotorcraft count as VTOL airplane [1]- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Hutchinson encyclopedia also seems to say that rotorcraft and lighter than air count: [2]- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Wisegeek seems to say no.[3]. While these are not good enough references to add to the article it does show that there's a range of opinions on this. If truly there is disagreement then it should be in the article.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Farlex says yes.[4].- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


I still want a reference to that though.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] skycar scam

The little paragraph on the Moller skycar should be removed since it was never more than an investment scam. Or one could add that it was a VTOL based scam.

[edit] Heli-Jet article

Here's the main content from the Heli-Jet article.

A Heli-Jet is a word to describe an aircraft with the same capabilities as a Helicopter but is powered by Turbofan type engines. Some 'Heli-Jet' examples exist such as the Doak VZ-4, Moller Skycar and the AVCEN Jetpod.

This is not an accepted term. I'm going to make that article redirect to VTOL. It might be worth mentioning the personal type Skycar and Jetpod here. -Fnlayson 17:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Concur. - BillCJ 18:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge discussion

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Old discussion which should have been closed after 1 or 2 weeks. No concensus atfer 6 months. - BillCJ (talk) 05:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC) These articles are both short and in need of work. As they cover similar areas, they should be merged for now until they can be improved. This reduces duplication of the good bits and beefs up the existing content. Chris Cunningham 16:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Vertical lift aircraft should also be merged here. Carl M. Anglesea (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Two differnt, though overlapping concepts. - BillCJ (talk) 05:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.