Talk:Vox AC30

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Would it be worthwhile to include electronic specifications and details about the amplifier, such as schematics and remarks on the construction? --Hector 00:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 First class, yes! Class A, no. 2 Fair use rationale for Image:AC30-Custom-Classic-lg.jpg 3 "Notable users of the AC30" section 4 It's not Edges AC30 on the Picture!!

[edit] First class, yes! Class A, no.

I've corrected the statement that the AC-30 is a class A amp. It isn't, though that idea is very widely held and circulated in the guitar amp community, to the point of being a cherished myth. I've listed three different technical citations in support of this fact. If you want to dispute my changes, please provide similarly technical citations to support your view. I doubt you'll find any. "Such-and-such-amp-guru said so" is not proof; class A operation is a well-defined engineering concept, and is not a matter of opinion. Most amp gurus simply parrot this myth because it's what they've always heard. If you set out to prove that it really is class A (as I once did), you'll learn a lot and quickly discover the truth, so I encourage you to do so.

Please don't follow up with "It's class A at lower volume levels.". Nearly all class AB tube amps run in class A at low to moderate levels, Fenders and Marshalls included. An amp needs to be class A at all output levels in order to be a class A amp. Again, this is by definition, and not an opinion.

This is in no way a denigration of the AC-30, because there is nothing "wrong" with class AB. It is a fantastic amp, a legend and deservedly so. The fact that its output circuitry is class AB and that so many people ascribe its very real sonic virtues to a non-existant "fact" do nothing to diminish its greatness.

Even Vox themselves don't claim it's a class A amp. See their web page. 64.171.68.130 22:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Like "Swing", the term class A has changed meaning for the younger generation. It's now used to refer to cathode, or self-bias. I think this has been promoted by various marketers who believe (probably correctly,) that their customers don't understand "bias" but "class-A" sounds impressive. The AC30 is cathode-biased, not class-A in the engineering sense.

Vox was under no pressure from the Twin Reverb in 1959; it didn't appear until 1963. "Fuzz boxes" were available at least back to 1962. The links provided confirm these points. Ampwright 19:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:AC30-Custom-Classic-lg.jpg

Image:AC30-Custom-Classic-lg.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] "Notable users of the AC30" section

This list is too long and a lot of the people in it aren't that notable. Can someone thin it out? -Roger (talk) 21:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, while a number of artists listed there do use the AC30 on a few recordings, the AC30 is not part of their "signature sound" (e.g. Jimmy Page, Billy Corgan, Kurt Cobain), so listing them here may be misleading for a user trying to get an idea of what the AC30 sounds like. These should either be disambiguated with specifics (which album, song or show), or removed from the list altogether. Steve Carlson^Talk 17:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It's not Edges AC30 on the Picture!!

That's Bonos AC30. Edges two AC30 are more on the left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.135.172 (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)