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External link

There is a lot of very helpful information about vaginismus (symptoms, causes, treatment, etc.) on the vaginismus.com website that is free. I do not think the link should have been removed. Yes, the website offers commercial products, but it is definitely a website with the most detailed information on the subject and would be of great interest to anyone looking for more information and help with the vaginismus condition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.64.120.185 (talk • contribs) 14:01, May 24, 2007 (UTC).

Can you demonstrate what is available for free on the site? There must be significant content available for free in order for it not to be considered mainly commercial. Joie de Vivre 19:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Here are some examples:
There is a considerable amount of valuable content on the vaginismus.com website, even more content than the other website that you left on this page. I can provide more examples if you are still unsure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.64.120.185 (talk • contribs) 15:00, May 24, 2007 (UTC).
Please sign your comments with four tildes i.e. "~~~~" so that we can know who is speaking. Thanks. Anyway, that link is commercial. The "free content" consists of vague information about vaginismus. The relevant content seems to be at the for-pay forums, and in my opinion the site exists primarily to sell a book, a DVD, and a dilator kit (or all three together for $100). This site is already the #1 hit on Google for "vaginismus" so I am sure sales won't suffer for it not being listed here. Joie de Vivre 23:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. In case you are not convinced, the site is set up with links from section to section, with the "stuff for sale" and the "pay forums" as the last two. the so-called "news section" features a review of their book at the top. the "books" section also features their book at the top with a "buy now" link and "find on amazon" links for the others. the site is cleverly set up but it is still commercial. Joie de Vivre 23:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joie, thank you for your thoughts. The vaginismus.com site has much more information on the topics of diagnosis, causes, etc. (previous links as discussed above) than is available in wikipedia. Although yes, there is a commercial aspect, the nature of vaginismus requires commercial products (such as dilators) for effective treatment and keeping the link off is preventing women from getting more information and resources on the subject than what is here - which serves nobody. The ultimate goal of wikipedia should be to help people... especially with problems like vaginismus —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.217.154 (talk • contribs) 16:52, May 25, 2007 (UTC).
Please sign your comments by typing four tildes "~~~~" at the end of what you have written. Do not go back and add four tildes to your old comments because they will be timestamped incorrectly.
Since we disagree about this I have asked for a third opinion at WP:3O. As I said, the website is the #1 Google hit for "vaginismus" so the suggestion that there is some injustice being done by keeping it off Wikipedia is ludicrous. If a person knows how to look something up on Wikipedia they know how to look something up on Google.
Wikipedia's primary purpose is to provide encyclopedic information, not to serve as a directory. I would like to point out that we should not bend the rules to "help people". I believe the primary parties being "helped" by adding this link to Wikipedia are Mark and Lisa Carter, with their "Vaginismus Treatment Kit" on the site, priced at $109.90 ($115.89 outside the US). Joie de Vivre 22:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

3rd Opinion

I think we don't need this link per arguments above. There is a dmoz entry for Vaginismus so I would suggest adding {{NoMoreLinks}} and {{dmoz|Health/Women's_Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Vagina/Vaginismus|Vaginismus}} to the external links sections. I would also recommend adding more inline citations to the article to conform to a higher standard of quality.TheRingess (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Added the templates. Agree that more citations are needed, so added moresources template.Joie de Vivre 00:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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