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took in text from CDC public domain document at http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/drh/Africa_pdf/Chap_10.pdf

Recent edit

I reverted this edit because it had POV language in it (such as "Anyone trying to make money or offering unique fast solutions to this problem should be sued".) However, much of the edit seemed to be well intentioned, so if the anon who added it would like to discuss changes we could make to the edit, I'd like to welcome you here, and let you know that your contributions are welcome as long as they can conform to Wikipedia standards, and I invite you to join in the discussion here. (I'm leaving the message here instead of on the talk page, because the change is from an anon with one edit.) --Arcadian 15:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Edits by User:62.31.184.124

Twice User:62.31.184.124 has reverted my edit to the Treatment section of this article. As I put much effort into the edit, I request that the user explain the reasoning behind their reversion. In the meantime, I have re-reverted the article so that it contains my edit. Joie de Vivre 16:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I also put much effort into writing the original article which you have basically wiped out completely. A lot of the things you have written are false - women with vaginismus are no more likely to have problems with sexual arousal than any other woman and yet you make out like they are. It is also not true that arousal is the "key" to painfree penetration - I suppose we should all take a vibrator into the gyno's office next time we go see him shall we? Women with vaginismus do not JUST want to be able to have sex, they want to be able to use tampons and have gyno exams, using arousal as a key to success undermines this as clearly you shouldn't have to be aroused to do those things.

"Despite popular belief, orgasm need not be the goal of masturbation. The reason may be to simply increase comfort with the genital area, to explore various sensations through genital and clitoral touch, and to become aware of those sensations which are relaxing and pleasurable. Sexual arousal causes changes in the shape and color of the vulva, as well as in the vaginal lubrication produced. As a woman becomes more aware of her individual sexual response, she can learn which sensations are best for bringing her to a state of arousal. She will then be better equipped to teach her partner(s) which sensations feel best for her."

That has nothing to do with vaginismus. There is no evidence to suggest that women with vaginismus masturbate any more or less than any other woman. Just because they can not be penetrated, does not mean that they can not masturbate. They don't need to be taught about these things as if they are sexually immature or inexperienced. You focus far too much on intercourse and sexual arousal - for many women with vaginismus, the reason they have it is because they live in a society which is already obsessed with anything to do with sex.

You do not emphasise enough the right of the woman to choose whether or not she treats vaginismus.

You use long words, where before there were none and they are simply not needed -"rapid resolution of the condition."

It appears that you just want to sex the article up with a load of wishy washy rubbish about masturbation sexual arousal. This is NOT what vaginismus is about. It deters from the actual problem which we are trying to portray and only makes vaginismic women feel more inadequate as they are faced with something full of sex this and sex that. We should be trying to empower these women to make their own choices when it comes to vaginismus and sex not forcing a load of tosh down their necks about the importance of sexual arousal and masturbation.

"most women who do not have vaginismus usually do experience pain or discomfort if they insert objects into their vagina without prior sexual arousal." - This is also false. Why on earth would we use tampons if this was the case? This sentence will probably just put fear into women with vaginismus who believe RIGHTLY that inserting objects into their vagina should NOT be painful and does not have to be whether they are aroused or not.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

First, I want to thank you for joining me in the discussion. I am glad that you are interested in making this article more accurate. Let's discuss your concerns. It seems like your major concern has to do with the content about how women with vaginismus experience and express their sexuality.

I agree with you that sexual arousal is not appropriate or necessary for the insertion of tampons, or during internal gynecological exams. However, attempting sexual penetration prior to or without achieving a state of sexual arousal is generally painful for women, perhaps because a penis, dildo or fist is much larger and more difficult to insert vaginally than a tampon or speculum. Sexual penetration is the type of penetration to which I was referring in the sentence about the importance of arousal, but the difference between sexual and non-sexual penetration (and the appropriateness of arousal) is not clearly addressed in this section. Rather than throw out this content, I have now included it in a section titled Sexuality. It is clear that the kind of penetration mentioned in that section is specifically sexual, and not related to that of tampons or gynecological exams. As you mentioned, I also included a sentence stating that some vaginismic women may choose to not seek treatment.

I ask that you not revert the existing edition back to your prior version, because much of the work I did in the rest of the article was to edit for encyclopedic tone, as well as to remove the heteronormative references. Not all vaginismic women engage in sex with men, and the previous version was slanted towards heterosexual women. Most instances of the phrase "sexual intercourse" have been changed to read "penetrative sex" because this phrasing makes no assumptions about the gender of the woman's sex partner. You are free to edit the article. Joie de Vivre 18:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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