Talk:Urinary incontinence

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[edit] ABDL Content

Please see Talk:ABDL as to why I feel this content is not appropriate. brenneman(t)(c) 12:08, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] This page could use some changes

  • Nothing is said about management of UI e.g. with catheters or absorbent products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.6.8.72 (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • It only mentions UI in women and children - nothing about men. Most of the generic (non gender-related) information is under the "UI in women" section. No mentions of BPH (enlarged prostate) anywhere either.
  • Nothing is said about general impact (toilet mapping, avoiding social exposure, associated costs, etc)
  • Nothing is said about psychological consequences (isolation, shame, anxiety, depression, etc)
  • The resource section has only 1 external link which could be moved to external links perhaps. Lots more resources could be added (NAFC, Continence Foundation, etc... There are lots and lots of them).
  • More treatment options exist nowadays, and as far as medications, none of the most widely used ones are mentionned (detrol and ditropan), not even using generic names.
  • No statistics or figures of any kind (like prevalence) are mentionned
  • No description of stop of urine flow muscles (2) at least in men and how the remaining one can be strengthened in the case of say a radical prostectomy where one is removed. Does the "Kegel" exercise work ror both sexes?

(Unsigned edit by 24.222.204.78 (talk • contribs • block • block log)) Does anyone know how often an event must occur to be considered urinary continence. Everyone says keep a diary. But what does the doctor look for from the diary? Go to urology on google for some excellent sources that can be referenced What about the use of a urethra support sling.. what are the benefits of that.. on younger women

[edit] Incontinence in children

The section in question needlessly repeats information stated earlier in the article, and the first two sub-headings are rather awkwardly phrased. Secondly, it reads like it was copied from a website with a much younger target audience. 70.68.181.169 10:36, 16 May 2006 UTC What about the option of a urethral support sling as a remedy option for younger women

[edit] Sources

There are no sources cited in this article. I'll begin to remove unsourced material over the next couple of days, a little at a time.
brenneman {L} 12:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highly Sexist Content

Article contains virtually nothing about male conditions, their causes, and treatment, which is par for the course. The article should probably be renamed Incontinence (Female) -- but on the other hand, knowing the incidental priority doctors give their male patients, there might never be an article about Incontinence (Male). 68.5.64.178 08:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to add that information yourself. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

External links on Wikipedia are supposed to be "encyclopedic in nature" and useful to a worldwide audience. Please read the external links policy (and perhaps the specific rules for medicine-related articles) before adding more external links.

The following kinds of links are inappropriate:

  • Online discussion groups or chat forums
  • Personal webpages and blogs
  • Multiple links to the same website
  • Fundraising events or groups
  • Websites that are recruiting for clinical trials
  • Websites that are selling things (e.g., books or memberships)

I realize that some links are helpful to certain users, but they still do not comply with Wikipedia policy, and therefore must not be included in the article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Enuresis Redirect

The enuresis stub article was changed to a redirect to this page. I would appreciate input about whether or not this is correct. I have two questions:

1) Should the redirect point here? 2) If not, should it point to bedwetting or should it be a standalone page?

Here is the background. From my reading on the subject, there is some change occurring in the use of the term enuresis. Historically, the word has been used as:

  • Synonymous with incontinence
  • Referred to intermittent wetting, either during the day or night.
  • Referring exclusively to bedwetting

The eMedicine definition is an example of this historical vagueness: "In North America, the term is used to refer to wetting by night or day, and nighttime wetting is referred to as nocturnal enuresis (NE)." Does this mean enuresis = incontinence?

There is a recent push to clarify the term, having it only apply to bedwetting. The ICCS has proposed a, "Standardization of Terminology for Lower Urinary Tract Function in Children and Adolescents."[1] The reporting committee defines enuresis as,

"Synonymous to intermittent nocturnal incontinence. It means incontinence in discrete episodes while asleep. Enuresis (or nocturnal incontinence) is a symptom and a condition."

So, the current push is to clarify the usage of enuresis to be synonymous with betwetting.

I had intended to edit the enuresis stub to explain this, but it was changed to a redirect before I could add the information. My thought is to revert the change and add the explaination about the changing usage. Please share your input. Wshallwshall (talk) 04:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking along the same lines when I made the redirect, but I decided that instead of explaining Enuresis in a stand-alone article, it would be better incorporated into Urinary incontinence. UI is a medical subject that I think would benefit from a broad encyclopedic treatment. Otherwise, there is too much disambiguation needed, repeated, on each article. On the other hand, if the article delves into the history of the recognition of enuresis as episodic urinary incontinence while asleep, and the history of its supposed causes and management, separate from other forms of UI, then Enuresis may stand on its own. --Una Smith (talk) 03:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. That's a good point. A separate enuresis page would need to be a combination of a disambiguation page and an explaination of the changing usage of the term. It would be tricky, because people would be likely to start editing the page and adding content to it. Maybe adding a tag at the top of this page and an explanation to the UI text would be be better. You've made a good point. Since there's no rush, I'm going to think about it for a few days and see if any suggestions come in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wshallwshall (talk • contribs) 07:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Enuresis is one of many forms of UI; I moved it from the lead to the Types section, which already is a long disambig of sorts. I stuck enuresis in the lead only because the old Enuresis stub described it as UI, and I was feeling lazy. --Una Smith (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Children Late at Toilet-training?

I ask if this is reliable because (a) the reference links now lead to a redirect with no article. (b) the Japanese Wikipedia says the exact opposite. Look at the Use in Other Countries section of the Japanese diaper article (with babelfish, if necessary). It explains the popularity of disposable diapers in the West by heavy babies and very late toilet training. Can anyone find a better (preferable existing) source for these studies? Estemi (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't have any good sources for Wikipedia but this is something many "attachment parenting" (AP) parents get into, and they all agree that in Asian cultures toilet training happens earlier than in "the west". It is true that in the US toilet training indeed is happening later and later. However, I have not seen proof of a causal link from increased use of disposable diapers to later toilet training. It is my understanding that in the US toilet training is happening later even when parents use cloth diapers. There is also a complicating factor: changing patterns of care giving for pre-school children. Diaper or no diaper is a very important dividing line. --Una Smith (talk) 03:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)