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Y Done - cohesion 01:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table of linked license tags

I suggest adding this table to the "own work" upload page:

License tags used in selector menu.

In the same order as the menu.
{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0| GFDL}}
{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0 |GFDL}}
{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0}}
{{self |cc-by-3.0}}
{{PD-self}}

One of the above tags can be copied directly
into an image page during initial image
uploading, or later to correct mistakes.
Hover over an entry in the selector menu to
see the license tag wikicode for that entry.
To see what each tag produces click its
entry in the dropdown selector menu. The
license box will show up below the menu.

Users are uploading images, and then realizing they used the wrong tag. I have discussed this with a user recently. They were completely baffled as to how to repair their mistake. For more info see:

They could not find the tags used by the selector menu. So they could not go back and fix their mistake. I could not find the tags at first either.

This table solves the problem. In addition it links directly to the relevant tag pages for more info. Other info pages cover too many tags to be of much help. Especially for someone in a hurry. People are just picking tags at random now from the selector menu in many cases because they don't have a clue what the tags mean. The info in the improved selector menu is better, but it is still mostly jargon to most people.

This table is bound to interest uploaders who see this table and want quick answers. Not everybody wants to be image uploading geeks like us, and spend hours searching in vain for explanations. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I do not like this idea. I've thought about it and I would recommend putting a link named "Help! I made a mistake" on Wikipedia:Upload instead. That way, we wouldn't have to have separate boxes for each upload form, we could just explain how to edit image pages and link to the list of image copyright tags. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Image copyright tags is not much help, and sending people off the "own work" upload page to Wikipedia:Upload to find another help page is just confusing. I have made several suggestions on how we can more clearly explain uploading, and you seem dead set against nearly all my ideas. Unless you can give some reasons other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT for not explaining uploading better on the "own work" upload page, then people should ignore you in my opinion.
The wikicode for "own work" copyright tags is key to uploading one's own images, and for correcting those image pages. Newbies have pointed out that sending them to multiple pages to get help is not very useful. They have asked me and others for better instructions on the "own work" upload page.
There is related discussion here:
Wikipedia talk:Upload#Remove "Permission" field from "own work" form

One of the tags can be copied directly
into an image page during initial image
uploading, or later to correct mistakes.
Hover over an entry in the selector menu to
see the license tag wikicode for that entry.
To see what each tag produces click its
entry in the dropdown selector menu. The
license box will show up below the menu.

 License tags used in selector menu.

In the same order as the menu.

{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0| GFDL}}

{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0 |GFDL}}

{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0}}

{{self |cc-by-3.0}}

{{PD-self}}
The above table spreads the info out horizontally rather than vertically as in the previous table. --Timeshifter (talk) 09:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Here is a more compact version using rowspan rather than linebreaks and horizontal rules for layout. —Random832 17:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
License tags used in selector menu. In the same order as the menu.

One of these tags can be copied directly into an image page during initial image uploading, or later to correct mistakes. Hover over an entry in the selector menu to see the license tag wikicode for that entry. To see what each tag produces click its entry in the dropdown selector menu. The license box will show up below the menu.

 {{self |cc-by-sa-3.0| GFDL}}
{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0| GFDL}}
{{self |cc-by-sa-3.0}}
{{self |cc-by-3.0}}
{{PD-self}}
Looks good. I like the clear title bar. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, a "Help! I did something wrong!" link on Wikipedia:Upload would be more flexible and could provide more in-depth instructions on how to fix image uploading problems. —Remember the dot (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, this talk page concerns the "my own work" upload page. Flexible is good. It would be even more flexible to use one of the above tables on this "my own work" upload page, too.--Timeshifter (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't clear. I don't have a problem with a "Help! I did something wrong!" link on the "my own work" upload page. I think it would be a good idea. Now that you are an admin, you can add that link. I just think it would also be flexible to include the table of tags on the upload page. People may not have done anything wrong. They may just want to batch paste the info into the own work upload form. Or they may just want to understand the main tags better. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency between Commons and Wikipedia upload forms

Concerning previous discussion here:

I no longer care either way whether there is, or is not, a "permission" field. I see now that the bigger problem, in my opinion, is the lack of consistency between the commons and English Wikipedia concerning the upload forms.

So I would be happy with any solutions that create commonality between upload forms, and that explain them better. A better form with little instruction is not necessarily better than a mediocre form with good instructions.

I think that many people prefer the multi-field forms being discussed here:

In the meantime please provide the best, most succinct, yet complete, instructions possible on the upload page itself. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you could get the Commons people add explanations of the various licenses to commons:MediaWiki:Uploadtext/ownwork. The Commons upload form doesn't explain the licenses nearly as well as our own MediaWiki:Uploadtext/en-ownwork. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I copied your comment to commons:MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext/ownwork#Consistency between Commons and Wikipedia upload forms. I think both upload forms explain various points better than the other. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bold

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"The act of scanning or photocopying someone else's work is not considered to be "creative"."

Could that be bolded? Not enough people seem to follow that... Soxred93 | talk bot 01:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Good idea. Happy‑melon 11:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)