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Contents 1 Question 2 cricket playing nation? 3 First class matches 4 History of United States cricket 5 First International Match 6 Cricket in Puerto Rico 7 Review

[edit] Question

Currently, pupils not selected for baseball teams have no ball game to play

This looks a bit odd: aren't American football, basketball and soccer ball games? Loganberry (Talk) 22:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

They're not summer sports though. It could be clarified. I presume in summer American kids either play baseball or nothing, but I'm not sure about that. -dmmaus 23:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

In America, anyone can play baseball. You could literaly be the worst player in history and play in a youth league. Other sports in summer include football, soccer (football if you will), tennis, street basketball, golf, casual badminton and volleyball(like basketball played as a team sport in winter). That's all the ball sports I can think of right now. Hardly anyone (never met anyone until college, and even then it was only through a cricket phys ed course) outside of recent transplants into American culture plays cricket. User:anonymous 23:52, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

[edit] cricket playing nation?

"Yet the USA did not develop into a cricket playing nation" - it was evidently one of the first cricket playing nations.

Removed reference to American Civil War as on the face of it is not connected to rise in popularity of baseball(?).

Removed 2 links ('Decline & fall of Cricket in the USA' & 'ICC expels USA....' both not very up to date, also both oddly misleading)

Added headings and expanded section on decline in popularity.

it was evidently one of the first cricket playing nations.

Yes, but I believe that the sentence referred to the nations development to the present day. I mean, even though it clearly has an impressive history in terms of cricket, comparing America to nations like India, England, Pakistan, Australia and New Zealand there's no way you can call it a cricketing nation.

Removed 2 links ('Decline & fall of Cricket in the USA' & 'ICC expels USA....' both not very up to date, also both oddly misleading)

Well, that's as maybe but couldn't the reason for the USA's expulsion from the ICC be on the page? I'm not familiar with the subject so I was curious as to why it would have happened in the first place...

Reasonable J 00:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First class matches

The articles infobox notes that the USA has played in 4 first class matches. Looking at this page, there are 5 matches listed for the United States and the "Players of United States of America." Are these not included in the totals for the national side?--Eva ^bd 04:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• OK...perusing the CricketArchive, I see more than four first-class matches in just the Philadelphian grounds. This page shows one at Young American while this page shows three at Germantown, Nicetown. In addition, we've got two at Belmont and two at Germantown, Manheim. By my reckoning, that makes 8 in Philadelphia's golden age. Add to that the USA v Canada and USA v Bermuda in the 2004 ICC Intercontinental Cup, and it brings us to ten. Looking at CricketArchive's scorecard oracle shows some other matches by sides that are made up of American's but nothing of a full American team. Based on this, my logic would tell me that the US national side has played ten first class matches. Any other people want to make calculations.--Eva ^bd 15:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't counting the Players of the USA side, as that was just the USA professional cricketers, and thus not representative of the country as a whole. Andrew nixon 16:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I may be different from others, but I'd say that these should still be included in the total. If a national side plays a match and their top players are injured or taking a rest, it is still a game of the nation's team. Likewise, just because eleven men happened to be playing for the Philadelphians or some other team, the US side was still a US side. I'd be inclined to include those matches in the US first-class total.--Eva ^bd 22:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. The Players of England (see Gentlemen v Players) played hundreds of first-class matches, yet they would never be included in England's total of first-class matches. The Players of the USA simply can't be considered as the USA national team in any way. It's essentially a Philadelphia v Rest of USA match. Andrew nixon 07:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK...you've convinced me. I think I just have a desire to "pad" the stats of the US national team. Thanks for your reasoning.--Eva ^bd 14:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of United States cricket

I'm trying to bring some order to United States cricket team (you can see my working draft here) and History of United States cricket (my working draft will be here). Any help that can be offered is most welcome.--Eva ^bd 04:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded my draft here with several {{fact}} requests. If people could look through and replace this notice ^{[citation needed]} with an appropriate citation, that would be great. I've still got a lot of work to do on History of United States cricket. Thanks.--Eva ^bd 03:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added several references in the Status from 1965 section. Andrew nixon 07:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the continued help, Andrew.--Eva ^bd 13:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First International Match

Several online sources note that the first international match between the US and Canada took place at the St George's Cricket Club in New York. this page from CricketArchive says that it took place in Montreal. Who's right?--Eva ^bd 12:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Cricket Archive is the only place that says it was in Montreal. The second did take place in Montreal, but the first took place at the venue you say, as this page from the Canadian Cricket Association says. Andrew nixon 13:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Eva ^bd 14:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket in Puerto Rico

Does anyone know anything substantial about cricket in Puerto Rico? So far on the internet the only facts I've found are that there is one cricket club in San Juan (called the Puerto Rico Cricket Club) and that there is no Puerto Rico Cricket Association (due to the lack of at least 2 other clubs on the island). It also seems that Puerto Rico's sole cricket club also participates in South American tournaments (alongside Guyana, Argentina, Brazil and Peru). I was wondering if Puerto Rico's cricket club was autonomous or not, but I can find no hard information to support this. I have come across mention of Puerto Rico as falling in the Southeast cricketing region on the USACA's website (along with Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas), but in the list of cricket associations for the Southeast region the only ones are from Florida (plenty of them too) and Georgia - no mention of the Puerto Rico cricket club. Does anyone have any more info about cricket in Puerto Rico?72.27.29.124 01:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Review

I would have liked to recommend this for A-class review but I'm afraid the incomplete 2008 ICC World Cricket League Division Five section lets it down. It is nevertheless a definite B-class. BlackJack | ^{talk page} 16:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)