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Contents 1 Comments 2 2005 Data 3 Moving 2004 data 4 MSA data 5 FBI Cities Crime Ranking 6 Murder vs Homicide statistics 7 2006 Stats Now Available 8 Rate vs. Rank 9 Other Data 10 2007 Preliminary Numbers Now Available

[edit] Comments

Usage of 'rates' seems to add ambiguity since no units are listed on the tables. If I understand the data correctly "Crimes recorded for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" etc. would be more appropriate. --Jahelmke (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The county of Tim Dennisville US experices little crime rate, with the expansion of many family's, and indeed can be considered the greatest county for crime in all the Untied States.

By Tim the thrid of Loglasie

I would have to disagree with the article above, McDennive is far superior in crime rate

By Mc Tim Von Winkile

-- Wow, I didn't know Los Angeles was that low in terms of homocide...I thought it would at least be in the top 10.

Just curious as to how Southfield Michigan can be in both the 100 lowest AND 100 highest violent crime rate lists. Perhaps the laws of physics don't apply there. I live very close to Southfield, and I'm quite certain the violent crime rate is not 0 as reported in the "100 lowest violent crime rate" table. This table should be corrected and updated, and it would also be helpful if the "100 highest crime rate" table was inverted so that the highest crime rate appeared at the top instead of the bottom. (westmt01, Troy, Michigan)

Clearly looks like an error. I'll look into generating new tables, like the homicides one - probably for cities over 50,000 population and not 10,000. -Aude (talk | contribs) 15:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a clarification needed, I wasn't able to find out if the rates really are in incidents per 100.000 and per year. (or if it's per month or whatever)

Aron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.158.56 (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

"Crime rates for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" Usage of rates seems to add ambiguity since no units are listed on the tables. If I understand the data correctly "Crimes recorded for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" etc. would be more appropriate.

[edit] 2005 Data

As of September 26, 2006, the 2005 data is available. If nobody gets to it before me, I will change some criteria (e.g., city size cut off at 300,000 rather than 400 on murder rate) and changing the criteria for most dangerous and least dangerous as the basis of population is misleading (where one crime can alter a small town's standing). All I have to do now is figure how to easily do Wiki tables. Americasroof 20:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving 2004 data

When I rewrite the tables, I will move this article and discussion to United States cities by crime rate (2004) Americasroof 21:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSA data

Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (January 2007)

The by-city rankings have been criticized as being inaccurate due to the arbitrariness of which suburbs, if any, are included in a city's legal boundries. Some people say that statistics by Metropolitan Statistical Area are more meaningful. The 2005 MSA crime stats are available from the FBI [1] and would make an excellent companion article. -- Beland 18:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FBI Cities Crime Ranking

The FBI provides data an crime for cities and MSAs. But it specifically cautions against ranking cities against each other. City limit configurations within large MSAs vary widely between those just encircling the old inner core areas of an MSA - (city A), to those that include most of the low crime affluent suburbs of their MSA (city B). So ranking by city limits is wildly inaccurate and unfair for cities within large MSAs, and says nothing about whether one is safer in the core of city A or city B, or whether one is safer in the suburbs of city A or city B. I suggest we just list the cities and their stats alphabetically, like the FBI does, to merely present the data, rather than try to "rank" by city limits.

If we must have a ranking, an MSA ranking might be more accurate, since MSA boundaries are defined by population statistics of a metro area, and not by arbitrary political boundaries. So comparing MSAs is closer to comparing apples and apples.

Gary Kreie 03:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Murder vs Homicide statistics

User:Taco325i edited the article and replaced Murder with Homicide. This has made those crime statistics invalid. -- Cameron Dewe 03:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Stats Now Available

2006 Stats are now available http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/index.html

There's a great big disclaimer at the opening of the site cautioning against comparing cities. Americasroof 01:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rate vs. Rank

Shouldn't the cities be ranked by murder rate per 100,000, rather than total murders? Johnbiggs 11:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit: It is, but they just forgot the decimals. I'll fix it. Johnbiggs 12:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Americasroof 13:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't this page be more useful if it was organized by the rate of individual crimes rather than the total number?... I made this edit yesterday but someone reverted it back. At least the chart I added should be added as a second chart below. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.50.255.146 (talk • contribs) 16 November 2007

Using the rates rather than raw numbers is actually an improvement and I would be o.k. with nuking out the raw numbers. The cavets of course is that murder is the only crime that is absolutely reported. The other categories can be fudged (that's why I sorted on murder than violent crime). I reverted your edit yesterday as that was a drastic change and coming from an anonymous I.P. is always a red flag. I've always been attempting to protect the underlying numbers. Both the rates and the raw numbers could not exist on this page as both have pushed the size of the page to 95K which is too big. -- Americasroof (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

ranking rates is an inappropriate us of FBI statistics according to the FBI's website. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 00:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other Data

Some of this data conflicts with City-data's list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.93.168 (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Preliminary Numbers Now Available

The 2007 preliminary crime numbers are now available:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2007prelim/