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[edit] Avengers Umbrella used by John Steed

James Smith & Sons did not make the Avengers Umbrellas that John Steed used it was at the time a company called T. Fox & Co. Ltd which has since changed it's name to Fox Umbrellas Ltd.

Paul

[edit] Photo about sexy girl, not umbrellas

The Parasol Girl photo is really more about the sexy girl than an explanation of umbrellas, isn't it? This is a bit gratuitous and promotional.

Not to be a prude here -- she's hot! Is she is promoting something at a car show like other shots in your portfolio? Maybe these beautiful pix belong in a new article "booth babe" or "car show?"

Parasol, Parasail, Umbrella? We need a disambiguation.--x1987x 15:47, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

See my comments further down. Sweetalker79 (talk) 04:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other names

My mother is the only person I know who calls umbrellas "bumberchutes." A quick look on google shows "bumberchute" is a brand name for incontinence pants, which, well, is interesting. Has anyone else ever heard "bumberchute?" Crazynorvegian 07:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I have, spelled "shoot". It seems popular in Seattle. --Jnelson09 03:00, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel Fox

I don't think Samuel Fox claimed to have been the first to use Iron or Steel for an umbrella frame, but he did build his very successful business on the use of Spring Steel curved to a special profile ('U' shaped, I think) and took out several patents. AHEMSLTD 13:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Umbrellas

What about modern versions? Automatic open and close, different kinds of handles on the umbrellas and materials used to coat the umbrella fabric? 71.250.34.13 14:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Construction and mechanics

This article needs more information on the mechanics of modern umbrellas and the names of the various parts.--Theodore Kloba 15:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of the umbrella's use for rain

How did the umbrella emerge to be our standard rain protection technology?

[edit] Dates in the article

I don't know if there is a standard for dates in Wikipedia, but it might better to have specific dates rather than X years ago kinds of dates. For example "Around the 5th century (Gregorian)" instead of "Around 1700 years ago)". The reason is that the source for the around 1700 years ago could easily be 100 years old, making it really 1800 years ago. Might as well have a notation wher error doesn't creep in over time.

[edit] Used in photo taking?

I can't seem to find the name of the umbrella-like-object used sometimes when taking pictures. Should it be mentioned in this article? Am00nz0r5 21:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup, they're called "Umbrellas" dreamcatcher23 13:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lightning

Is it true that umbrellas attract thunder? So if you're carrying one during a thunderstorm you risk a higher chance of being hit?--195.229.242.86 17:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Only to a very slight extent; see here. TerriersFan 20:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Umbrellas don't attract thunder but they may attract lightning —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.11.139 (talk) 13:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed a claim that the extra risk of being hit by lightning while carrying an umbrella is due to its height but not its metal composition. This is not exactly true; metal objects are definitely better able to act as conduits for lightning than non-conductive objects, especially if the conductor is well-grounded. A metal umbrella could act as a lightning rod, though analyzing the effect of the shape is somewhat complex. Height definitely does play a role as well. Some umbrellas have fiberglass masts instead of metal, and are advertised as "lightning proof" or somesuch. This claim is somewhat dubious, and in general it's not safe to be wandering outside in a lightning storm whether or not you have an umbrella. -- Beland 06:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted apparent vandalism

I reverted some apparent vandalism done by 209.120.230.238. I left a request in 209.120.230.238 talk page to please do not vandalize articles. --Allyn 01:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I reverted yet another vandalism (this one by 24.188.9.29) on Thursday, Feb 8. I will leave request on 24.188.9.29 talk page.

[edit] Possible copyright violation

Hello:

I don't know if this is fair use, but I notice that the picture of the parts of an umbrella is taken directly from the Carver Umbrella web site, which has a copyright logo at the bottom of the picture. Anyone care to comment on this? --Allyn 13:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have the copyright to the image as created it, I also gave permission for it to be used on the Carver website - Richard Thompson 13:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Image

I am removing this photo that detracts from the quality of the article. The other photos on the page adequately represent the object of the article, and are of much higher quality. Secondly, User:Allyn uploaded the photo of himself, in which he is modelling garments he designs and sells on his personal website, in contradiction of Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Self-promotion. This photo is one of many photos of himself the user has inserted in various articles. RP Bravo 14:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ☂ symbol redirects here

It redirects here! But maybe it shouldn't. --AnYoNe! 08:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Took me a while to work out what you were referring to (that the "☂" symbol redirects here)! I wonder if perhaps that symbol was originally a character from some other language (Chinese? Korean?) that means "umbrella" in that language.--A bit iffy 08:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
For me, that symbol is appearing as an umbrella (in Firefox). It's unicode character 0x2602. See unicode.org - it's officially an umbrella. There are Wikipedia redirects for certain common unicode symbols - e.g. a redirect exists for mdash (code 0x2014). Click the dash: —. But it's kind of novel to have one for the umbrella symbol. --KKL 19:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Seriously kewl. We need that for every Unicode symbol.  Randall Bart   Talk  18:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The "Keyboard" symbol, ⌨ redirects to the article keyboard, so I think it IS done for every symbol. I agree, it IS cool, though.24.124.88.11 (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "As a weapon" section

I have removed much of the section as it was becoming bloated with cultural references that don't seem significant to me.--A bit iffy 07:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that The Penguin from the Batman series would be significant? That was the first thing I thought when I saw this section, and it was a pretty famous use. Anywho. Just asking before adding in any sort. Mizunori 13:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "In Music" section

I have removed this as all it states is that the umbrella has entered into popular culture do to a new song release. I think 'Singing In The Rail' might have already got the umbrella into peoples minds before that. Not to mention actual RAIN! :/ 64.26.160.78 20:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parasol is not the same thing as umbrella.

A parasol is not the same as an umbrella. Even though the construction is similar, that's like saying a CD player and a VCR are the same thing. They have different materials, different histories, and vastly different uses. "Parasol" should not redirect here. Sweetalker79 18:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Umbrella is an impermeable parasol, don't be a douche --AnY FOUR! 08:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

A parasol is used solely in the sun and for fashion's sake; made of satin, lace and sheen fabrics. Umbrellas are used in the rain and only in the rain, and are made (these days) of plastic. But thanks for playing, and for the marvelous expression of your maturity, AnY FOUR!. Sweetalker79 18:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

In conventional usage a parasol is for sun and an umbrella is for rain, but either can be used the other way. "Umbrella" literally means shade. Few languages have separate words for the two concepts. When translating variations of "parasol" into English, translators usually choose "umbrella" as the more inclusive English term.  Randall Bart   Talk  18:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

"Either can be used the other way"?? I can't do more than repeat: A parasol is made of satin, lace, and sheen fabrics, which are useless in rain. Sweetalker79 (talk) 04:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

In English, either word can be used either way, but usually parasol is for sun and umbrella is for rain.  Randall Bart   Talk  21:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romantic Significance in Japan

Would it be relevant to mention the cultural significance umbrellas have for Japanese couples? I read once that due to the general standards of politeness in Japan, it's considered rude for people who are involved romantically to hug etc. in public, and it's only when they're sharing an umbrella (which naturally requires closeness) that such behaviour isn't "bad form". (Because of this, the Japanese equivalent of "'x' loves 'y'" consists of the two names written under a stylised umbrella.) I think there was even a chapter about it in School Rumble (it featured one character tries to convince the boy she likes to share an umbrella with her), and there was a very detailed translation note about it in the Del Rey English release. Would this be considered notable enough for inclusion in the article?--Tally Solleni 08:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to write it, go for it. Be sure to include a cite to a website in Japanese.  Randall Bart   Talk  18:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated reference

The reference to the Texas A&M website (reference 4) is outdated. The article has apparently been moved here: http://agnewsarchive.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/CFAM/Jul1301a.htm 199.8.47.164 (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future of Umbrellas?

Anyone who saw Blade Runner remembers the Umbrellas with light up rods right? Well I saw someone selling something like that on Ebay and thingeek.com is selling that stuff too, so shouldn't this be in a miscellaneous, or (a proposed) "Future of Umbrellas" section? Yojimbo501 (talk) 16:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Umbrella

hello

I search the correct date when the name umbrella the first one appeared. In 386 AD I heard it was the first one, but I'm not surely! I'm happy about every answer because at the moment I'm written a text about umbrellas. Pleas answer to this e-mail address: umbrella@gmx.ch

I excuse me about my vocabulary and my grammar ->I'm from Switzerland

Thak you a lot...


Please answer to the second June 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.61.181 (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)