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Good start, although I would insist that someone add any possible pics of the Ukrainian navy. and also...I recommend a merger to "Military of Ukraine"

[edit] Colors and Navy emblem

Привіт, Hi!

Since September 1991, as a Ukrainian journalist born in exile (and since then living part-time in the Western part of the country), I've been paying close attention to Ukrainian Air Forces' and Navy's evolution. Though no specialist (putting aside the fact that I served during nine years as an airman in the Navy), I asked, took pictures and notes in situ, until quite recently — I was in Sevastopol' four weeks ago. And I could see that:

A) The colors used on flags are not (and have never been) these: the "штандарт командуючого Військово-морські сили України" (the upper flag on the 'article page') wears Federal Standard 31305 bright red instead of insigna red to purple and FS35090 - 35110 dark blue instead of FS35035 night blue shown here;

B) The same "командуючого ВМСУ" has a golden fringed border;

C) The "штандарт прапор військово-морських сил України" does not show the Ukrainian flag in the upper left quarter (except on "святкові дні", and this is not indicated in the legend) — the flag given here does not correspond to usage;

D) The blue of the same flag is a bit darker than this one.

I have prepared corrected images. May I add them to the article page or simply replace existing images on this page by the new ones?

Korenyuk 09:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Pryvit. As an initial author of the article, I'd like to thank you for your willing to develop it. Images are great input!

Answering your question: judging from your words, you mean the different kind of insignia, the special ones. Those in the article are I think the general ones. In particular, the most common navy flag should contain national flag in its upper corner, sure about it. So, I think you should just add yours' too. But please don't forget to specify the usage difference. Anyway, substituting of images is allowed, especially after you asked for another opinions. But you'd better add. Oh, and some sad reality: Ukrainian military, as well as police, are not very careful about their insignia and uniform. What you saw in Sevastopol could be just the case :)). Cheers,AlexPU 14:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I share your view about what SHOULD be the usual, daily Ukrainian Navy Flag, at least to my mind… But, actually, as I've been told by ВМСУ officers in Sevastopol' and onboard the Херсонес, and as it have been confirmed to me last night, the one wearing the National Flag is only for Holidays and some special occasions. The USUAL FLAG is the outlined Sea Blue Cross. That is also what says Військово - морська атрибутика України]. Tell me if you're OK for the changes. Бувай! Korenyuk 14:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, if those designs and colors are used on the navy flags instead of the ones we have, I think we should add them to the article, keeping both the old and the new images. —dima/s-ko/ 02:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Korenyuk, you convinced me pretty well. I also agree with DDima. So you'd better add, not replace.

Here's what I suggest:

• You can add the second flag (that without blue-and-yellow UA flag) and short descriptions to both - these go to the lead. And you should also add that new external link that you supplied to my talk page (or I can do it myself).
• At stage 2 of your flag edition, you could add extended info on flags and their usage below (and more flag images), in a separate section. That is, to wikify the info from that Ukrainian website.AlexPU 07:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)