Talk:Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland
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Le Pen? No reason for him to be mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.244.63.128 (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] POV tirade of quotes
This selection of quotes has little to do with the Irish referendum, and is misleading and extremely POV. If approperiate anywhere, it must be in the Treaty of Lisbon article. To say that the Constitution-Lisbon changes are only cosmetic, is simply wrong. Don't reinsert it. - S Solberg J 04:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. This article is about the proposed ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon by the Irish electorate. The quotes belong in the Treaty of Lisbon article or in the European Constitution article but not here. I have made one small change to the Cancelled European Constitution referendum section which should be agreeable to all. Snappy56 (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- In the interests of balance I have added a link to the non party Libertas website. This group advocates a 'no' vote in the referendum. A previous link to a Sinn Féin website was removed on the grounds of "no parties", dubious but I'll let it pass. Libertas is not a political party but I assume this link should not be a problem. Snappy56 (talk) 06:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to have a structured list of party websites' sections on the Lisbon Treaty. - Instead of dubious think-tanks that pretend to be neutral or nonpartisan. - S Solberg J 17:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Libertas are non party group advocating a no vote, that's not pretending to be neutral or non-partisan. They are entitled to their opinions, whether you like them or not. See also United_Kingdom_European_Constitution_referendum#External_links for non party no groups whose websites are in the External links section. Snappy56 (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sometimes hard to see the difference between a serious think-tank or group, from unserious blogs. Let's say if Rupert Murdoch hated the EU so intensely he started a POV website against the Lisbon Treaty; it would never be included in the Treaty of Lisbon article on Wikipedia. - Because external links should be mainstream, credible and NPOV. Plus major political parties of course. All POV websites and unknown groups can't be included. The Libertas group is according to the Libertas article: "a small Irish group, established by multi-millionaire businessman Declan Ganley which is campaigning for a 'no' vote to the Treaty of Lisbon referendum being held in Ireland in 2008." I don't think this article should link to dubious things like that. Political parties is a standard limitation. - S Solberg J 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, you'd be wrong then. In our wonderful Irish democracy, we give everyone a say, no matter how looney they are, then we proceed to ignore them, but we do give them their say. Rupert Murdoch does hate the EU, he doesn't need to start websites, he has several newspapers at his disposal to put forward anti-EU opinions. Snappy56 (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- I know what Rupert Murdoch does. "Give everyone a say"? - so you think this article should link to every little blog entry and hate-website related to the Lisbon Treaty? - S Solberg J 12:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, you'd be wrong then. In our wonderful Irish democracy, we give everyone a say, no matter how looney they are, then we proceed to ignore them, but we do give them their say. Rupert Murdoch does hate the EU, he doesn't need to start websites, he has several newspapers at his disposal to put forward anti-EU opinions. Snappy56 (talk) 04:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sometimes hard to see the difference between a serious think-tank or group, from unserious blogs. Let's say if Rupert Murdoch hated the EU so intensely he started a POV website against the Lisbon Treaty; it would never be included in the Treaty of Lisbon article on Wikipedia. - Because external links should be mainstream, credible and NPOV. Plus major political parties of course. All POV websites and unknown groups can't be included. The Libertas group is according to the Libertas article: "a small Irish group, established by multi-millionaire businessman Declan Ganley which is campaigning for a 'no' vote to the Treaty of Lisbon referendum being held in Ireland in 2008." I don't think this article should link to dubious things like that. Political parties is a standard limitation. - S Solberg J 21:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Libertas are non party group advocating a no vote, that's not pretending to be neutral or non-partisan. They are entitled to their opinions, whether you like them or not. See also United_Kingdom_European_Constitution_referendum#External_links for non party no groups whose websites are in the External links section. Snappy56 (talk) 01:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to have a structured list of party websites' sections on the Lisbon Treaty. - Instead of dubious think-tanks that pretend to be neutral or nonpartisan. - S Solberg J 17:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- In the interests of balance I have added a link to the non party Libertas website. This group advocates a 'no' vote in the referendum. A previous link to a Sinn Féin website was removed on the grounds of "no parties", dubious but I'll let it pass. Libertas is not a political party but I assume this link should not be a problem. Snappy56 (talk) 06:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Date of vote
There is nothing official until it is decided by the the minister for the environment. This date of June 12 2008 is subject to change. Please do not state this as gospel until confirmed by order of the minister. 89.204.197.161 (talk) 07:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
