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[edit] UK chart history

Do we really want the UK chart history? It's not very useful (it's data, not knowledge) and we don't have them for the US (where she has been more successful). --User:Taejo | Talk 09:02, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by NotGonnaTellYouMyName

Dude, I had no clue she's a lesbian. I just found that out by reading this article. But that doesn't matter. She is very talented.

[edit] TC lesbian

I didn't know TC was a lesbian. Is there evidence of this somewhere? Elefuntboy 19:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't personally know if she is, and I haven't had any experience with the page or anything, but according to NNDB (notable names database) it's true. Check http://www.nndb.com/people/974/000025899/ for further information. I'm not saying it's reliable but I was wondering the same thing and while doing some research I found this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.47.171.24 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 24 December 2005.

tracy is not a lesbian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vancejamal (talk • contribs) 03:37, 16 April 2006.

yeah what a rude way to 'guess' someone's sexuality and i find it a slap in the face to read Lesbian Singers at the foot of the page. regardless if she is or not, i have followed her closely for years and years and never have seen a comment for fact that supports this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.211.52.245 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 21 April 2006.

...not to mention racist! Sure, she black, female, short haired and plays guitar so it equals lesbian? I think not! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.59.203.122 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 7 July 2006.

Um, nobody said that race had anything to do with her sexuality. You're jumping to conclusions here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.23.191.87 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 19 July 2006.

[edit] legendary singles

isn't saying "legendary singles" pov and subjective? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.79.168.160 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 27 April 2006.

It definitely is. Edited and done. Elefuntboy 08:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK history

Added UK history back in - seems compeltely relevant to the article. She's quite popular in UK as well. Nige 09:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sexual orientation

Is this really relevant to readers? I thought this was an Encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper? I mean, she is known (and therefore a person of public interest) because she's a musician, and not a lesbian, right? Foglemark 21:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

TRACEY IS A LESBIAN! SHE USED TO DATE ALICE WALKER AND IT CLEARLY SAYS SO IN AN AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF MS. WALKER. jcm 10/17/06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.231.249.141 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 17 October 2006.

There is an interview with Alice Walker in today's Guardian in which she talks about her affair with Chapman: [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thoughtcat (talk • contribs) 13:38, 15 December 2006.

(Personal life) Why is her sexuality so important? Is that not Tracy's Business? thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.125.195 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 10 January 2007.

Up to a point - the citation of her affair with Alice Walker only came about when Walker discussed it in a recent interview with The Guardian, a UK national newspaper. That in my opinion was a legitimate reason to cite it in this article. The reference has since been deleted for no apparent reason. I think it should be reinstated - other views?--Thoughtcat 20:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Although I doubt she'd mind being so categorized as a rule I think the person should confirm the affair if they're to be so categorized.--T. Anthony 07:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it deserves mentioning. Not sure why people feel it shouldn't be included. There's nothing to be ashamed of!! I've put it back in. Nige 17:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, although it was Alice Walker she had the relationship with, not Sara Wajid - Wajid was the journalist who interviewed Walker. I've toned down the paragraph a bit and put it at the end of the 'biography' section - it's not the most important thing about her but is still valid. --Thoughtcat 18:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting that Chapman had a relationship with Alice Walker, but technically that doesn't make her a lesbian. She could be bisexual, or she could be a straight woman who once had a relationship with another woman. I have no objection to the reference to her relationship with Walker in the body of the article, but if that's all we're going on I think we should remove the "lesbian musicians" category until we can cite a reliable source saying she's lesbian. --Allen 19:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to agree, but I think an actual relationship with a woman means she's LGBT of a kind. Considering her politics I don't think she'd find the idea insulting or offensive. (Whereas say Little Richard might find being in a LGBT category nearly libellous due to his faith)--T. Anthony 05:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Than why isn't it changed back than? I wanted to do that, but first I wanted to know why nobody else did, after the discussion is in favor of mentioning Tracy's homo-/ biseksuality. I think that this kind of info should be on this page. Wikipedia is as objective as possible, and this aspect of Tracy's life is part of her story, of the person that she is. Agreed, we can't say if she is lesbian of bisexual, but even if she isn't any of these things, the talk about it alone is worth mentioning, is my humble opinion.
By the way, I've found a site from a person in The Netherlands. He has made a list of famous lesbians, homo- and bisexuals. On his site he says (quote): "I only mention people who are out or who were outed after their death.". The link for his list is: [2]. For Tracy Chapman, go the the 'C' of Chapman. I hope that the topic of Tracy Chapman will be adapted soon. --84.104.123.100 19:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
T. Anthony, I think what you say makes sense based on some definitions of LGBT, but not necessarily others. By definitions that emphasize self-identity, I think one could have same-sex romantic relations without identifying as LGBT (regardless of one's politics). Based on Walker's account and Chapman's politics, it seems entirely likely that Chapman would identify as LGBT... but without a reference, why make the assumption? By quoting Walker, we communicate to the reader all the verifiable information we have. --Allen 05:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
reporting a relationship spoken about publicly by Alice Walker in one of the most respected newspapers in the world is not POV, not redundant, not poorly sourced, and not BLP-violating. That she had such a happy relationship is material to her biography and of legitimate interest to every LGBT person. 62.64.200.180 14:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
The current version is a lot better than the version from yesterday and this morning, the tone of which suggested that being a "black lesbian" was bad and that Chapman was denying it. I'd still say that Walker's thoughts about a relationship that Chapman has apparently never mentioned would be more appropriate for Walker's article than Chapman's... but in the much-improved context of the section as it now stands, I'm not nearly as concerned about them. --Allen 01:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The quote, in its entirety, was copy-and-pasted from the Walker article, actually (I should know because I added it, cited and all). Even the ref, with access date from June, was copy-and-pasted. I don't approve, but I'm not up to another edit war. María (críticame) 12:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I know this might seem silly but I thought she was a male singer to be honest, just through the depth of her voice. I am bisexual, and the story of her relationship with Alice Walker is romantic to me, rather than shameful. After all, Walker is a powerful and respected writer, so I don't think it's anything that brings shame on Tracy to have had a partnership with her.Merkinsmum 20:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Awards

Since Tracy has won a couple of awards including the grammy's can anyone list them Kendirangu 13:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)



i cant find the song called walking in memphis i know tracey sung it bui i cant find it anywhere anyone have any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.117.223 (talk) 07:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe Tracy had to have been ashamed of her homo-sexuality, otherwise she would have been open about it. Personally i find it sickening, an absolute disgrace to know that 2 respectable black women who could be looked upon as role models, are nothing more than pitiful dikes. Shame shame shame. On Chapman and Walker. YIKES! The very picture of them together is an ugly one indeed. They can both drop dead for all i care. Lisa Love Lopes

[edit] With Pavarotti

Can anyone tell me where and when was this? it should also be mentioned in the article that they performed together.--24.218.27.89 00:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)