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[edit] john hetherington

Again removed information that does not have a contemporary valid source reference:

"On 15 January 1797, a London haberdasher, James Hetherington, wore the first top hat in public and attracted a large crowd of onlookers. He was later fined £50 for causing a public nuisance. [1] "


[edit] john hetherington

Removed the misleading:

"The top hat was invented by John Hetherington, who designed and constructed a silky-covered variation of the contemporary riding hat, which had a wider brim, a lower crown, and was made of beaver. He first wore it it in public in 1797. "

[edit] john hetherington

agree with the below. the story sounds wholly apocryphal. for that to stand, i think we really need actual detail of the primary source, the supposed 'contemporary newspaper story'. accordingly, have deleted.

[edit] Source

Does anyone have a primary source for the story about the first top hat causing a riot? I have found a few other sites telling the same story, but they all seem to be quoting each other, and I can't find any sign of the supposed 'contemporary newspaper report' which would presumably form the evidence for this story.

Absent any real evidence, the story sounds highly improbable. Why would people riot at the sight of a hat? They're not that scary.

I have removed the following text from the article, because it is uncited:

According to a local news paper, he caused a riot in the streets of London. People are said to have run in terror, dogs barking, women fainting. The crowd broke the arm of an errand boy as they ran past. Hetherington was charged in court with wearing "a tall structure having a shining luster calculated to frighten timid people", and was fined £50.

--Srleffler (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bosch painting

There is a painting done by Heironymus Bosch between 1485 and 1490 that I could swear depicts a man wearing a top hat. Anyone know anything about this? This article gives the origin of the hat a much later date. A rather low-res download of the painting can be found at http://abcgallery.com/B/bosch/bosch32.html The man in question is at the bottom left-hand corner. Themill 2006 (UTC)


It's only a small point, but should this be hyphenated?

 No, indeed, it should not be hyphenated.
Moved to Top hat (headgear) --Mmartins 10:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Isn't a top hat synonymous with a castor hat? And also, weren't they also used by the Scandinavian armies during the Napoleonic Wars?

Answer Castor is french for Beaver - Hence Beaver hat, also a Top Hat. Pith Helmet 23:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Please note - Advance warning - I am doing full extensive research on the history of the top hat, and intend to revamp the page and correct the non-factual misconceptions soon.... Cheers Doug Pith Helmet 23:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I recently found a Marshall Fields top hat still in the origanal box. Not a mark on it. Does any know what it is work. The silk in side comes with Marshall inside the hat.... Just curious. dezinedreame@fuse.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.122.126 (talk) 05:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To the editor who said President Kennedy did not wear a top hat to his inauguration ....

So "President John F. Kennedy was the only President of the United States NOT to wear a stovepipe hat to a presidential inauguration?" Well, then, what is this? [1] Or this?[2] Oh yes, and the same article says that Eisenhower wore a homburg in 1953.

A link to the full article:[3]

[edit] Notable Wearers

Notability should establish a permanent association to wearing a top hat, i.e. more than the occasional fashion statement. The notable wearer should have their own working Wikepedia entry, with a specific written or characteristic visual reference on the page to back up their inclusion here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TBliss (talk • contribs) 10:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This list was previously in the article but was compeltely unsourced and unverified. Thought I would put it here in case anyone wants to take the time to find sources.

==Notable wearers==

--Veesicle (Talk) 23:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Was wondering if any body had any information

I recently purchased a top hat from an antiqe store, it came in the box and the hat was in perfect condition apparently never worn, and also only 1 of 12 made. This specific hat was made for James Thelwell & co. Melbourne. It was made by Tress & co. London. It also has written on the box ' prize medals Awarded to

     Tress & co. London
     Cold medals, Paris 1878
     Sydney & calcutta '

I was wondering if any one could give me any aditional information on the company who made the hat and also who bought the Hat and in what year it was made. I appreciate anybodys input into my enquiry and hopefully can find the information i am seeking. MS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.228.61 (talk) 09:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC).


Come on now, the Cat in the Hat is wearing a Cat in the Hat hat, which is a distinctly different kind of hat.. It's more like a reggae hat.. or whatever.

[edit] apple bought tophat, where is the wiki article on this tophat?

see subject. needs disambig. Tkjazzer (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It was a joke. Apple did very well financially, and some reporter joked that they bought a top hat and a monocle. Somebody misunderstood these as the names of two companies.--Srleffler (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)