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[edit] Parents

Someone in the past couple of days has been trying to change Tim's mother's name to "Delysia" rather than "Ione." Baffled by this, I did a search, and found BOTH of them in articles. For now I have changed it back to Ione, since there are more sources that have this name and seem to be more credible sources, but I would really like a definitive answer on this if anyone knows for sure or can find a very good source. I couldn't find a name on Tim Duncan's official site, [www.slamduncan.com], but perhaps someone else can. Thanks! EWS23 20:45, August 11, 2005 (UTC)-

I have been a fan since Tim Duncan Wake Forest years, and his mother name is Ione, father name is William and his two sister's are Cheryl and Tricia. fmwash14353@peoplepc.com

[edit] Best Player of his Generation

Should the article have a specific section advocating Tim Duncan as the best player of his (the post-Jordan) era? If yes, here are some important accomplishments to consider:

Entering the 2005-06 season, San Antonio has the highest winning percentage, .702 (438-186), in professional sports since drafting Duncan first overall in 1997.

Scored 12 points in the last six-plus minutes of the 3rd-quarter in Game 7 of the 2005 NBA Finals. In the 4th-quarter, scored 5 points, set-up two open look three-pointers for Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen, and sealed off Ben Wallace twice allowing Ginobili uncontested dunks.

21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks against the New Jersey Nets in in Game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals, clinching the title.

37 points and 16 rebounds in Game 6 of the 2003 Conference Semi-Finals against the Lakers in Los Angeles, effectively ending the Shaq-Kobe Dynasty.

Averaged 27.4 points and 14 rebounds per game during the 1999 NBA Finals.

[edit] Greg Newton

Is there some reason the Greg Newton affair is being removed from the trivia section?

The Animal 04:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Newton and other unexplained reverts by Downwards?

Here's are just a few of the references I found doing a little research on line about the Newton-Duncan dispute that Downward reverted the other day:

From the Virginian-Pilot newspaper:

"Newton Is Pulling His Weight At Duke A War Of The Words With Wake's Duncan Shows The Ex-bench Warmer Has Arrived."
"Is Tim Duncan The Best Big Man Ever In The ACC?"
"Wake Beats Duke 8th Straight Time"

From Hoopsworld.com

"Understanding Tim Duncan Better"

Looks like the edits The Animal and Sugar Daddy are certainly verifiable and cannot be called vandalism. Instead, I would characterize the repeated reverts by Downwards inappropriate when not accompanied by any explanation in the edit summaries or on the talk page. More importantly, calling The Animal's last edit vandalism is almost (but not quite) a violation of Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy.

On 24 May 2006, Downwards deleted 66.229.8.151's trivia note about Duncan's American Express ad without comment (it's a funny ad, by the way -- here's a link to the video).

On 19 May 2006, Downwards deleted a three-word edit by 131.210.251.108 attributing Duncan's nickname, "The Big Fundamental", to Shaqille O'Neal. Once again, this was reverting a valid edit; from the Victoria Advocate: "The Big Fundamental: Mavs know all too well what they're up against with O'Neal"
--A. B. 05:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wake Forest teammates

The article mentions Loren Woods and discusses how he "helped ease the pressure on Duncan around the basket." But Woods was a head case and was minimally productive. This is not opinion, rather well-known among those that follow Wake Forest and ACC Basketball [1].

Also, even though the article is about Duncan, it seems misleading to say that Childress "entered the NBA"; he graduated and went on to a brief NBA career (2 seasons, 51 games). --Crowe0323 (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Position

The article on centers has a good discussion of whether Duncan plays the four position or the five. I don't know where to put in a link, though.--WadeMcR 16:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You could probably mention that in the player profile section. Quadzilla99 22:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of personal life items

I made this edit, as I thought all the information in the section was trivial, and did not add to the notability.

  1. "Tim Duncan is married to Amy..."
    Marrying a college sweetheart is obviously far from uncommon, and a wealthy athlete with a foundation, and a spouse running it are pretty par for the course. I could see the argument for inclusion if, like Doug Flutie, he was famous for his foundation, but I'm not seeing it here.
  2. "Duncan is nicknamed "Merlin," due to his love of the fantasy role playing game, Dungeons & Dragons, and renaissance fairs..."
    I think we can talk about how Tim Duncan is a bit of a nerd, which might be a rarity for jocks. But the Playmate of the Month profile stuff at the end should definitely be chopped.
  3. "Before his mother succumbed to breast cancer, Tim promised her he would complete his university degree before playing basketball professionally."
    It's interesting, but interesting alone isn't notable and not sufficiently encyclopedic. This paragraph should go.
  4. "When Duncan was called "soft" by ACC rival and Duke center Greg Newton"
    Duncan wasn't the first athlete to talk trash and won't be the last. I'm not seeing the relevance, and why it ended up in the personal life section is beyond me.

Thoughts? Ytny (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Every single well-developed sports biography has a section on a person's personal life, including who they are married to where they grew up etc, see here and here on Featured article Michael Jordan. The information about his mother and current family is particularly notable. Here's some more examples from featured articles:here, here, here, here. I don't think that because Duncan's personal hobbies are somewhat geeky or trivial they shouldn't be mentioned, see here on Michael Jordan, his golf activities and hobbies are mentioned. As a matter of fact articles have even been failed for GA let alone FA for this reason., see here. For full disclosure I'm the main contributor ot the Michael Jordan article, but it did just recently pass through an active FAC in which, after several problems were addressed, it received full support and no one mentioned deleting all the off the court info. Quadzilla99 03:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following info however:"When Duncan was called "soft" by ACC rival and Duke center Greg Newton, he responded by challenging Newton's qualifications for making the assessment, facetiously pointing out that Newton was "everybody's All-American". This could go into an expanded college section later.
"On his homepage, Duncan states he is afraid of sharks and heights, his favorite film is The Crow, he is a big fan of the Chicago Bears and his hobbies include collecting knives." That's pure trivia. Quadzilla99 03:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned up the section, keep in mind I put most of the tags on this article, so I know it's in very poor shape right now. I'm not defending the current status of the or overall quality level of the article. Quadzilla99 03:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment I re-edited the above for typos please re-read. Quadzilla99 04:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I don't have anything against personal life sections per se. And I think you misunderstood me re: nerdy hobbies - in fact, I think Duncan's nerdiness needs to be mentioned in the article because it's one part of his personal life that really sets him apart from other athletes. And again, thanks for the edits, and I'll work on better sourcing for the items that are left. 04:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I hope you could read all that I rushed through it and left an ungodly amount of typos and errors, it's all fixed now. Quadzilla99 04:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The tattoo info could probably go too, except maybe to mention briefly (in like 3-5 words) how much he is into dungeons and dragons and renaissance fairs. Quadzilla99 04:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jersey number

wonder if there's any significance behind no. 21... Chensiyuan 14:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Other than it being his college number, I've never heard of any; and, as a lifelong Wake fan, I have followed Duncan since he was a freshman there.--Crowe0323 (talk) 01:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Way too many boxes at the bottom of the article

Do we need all of them? Chensiyuan 07:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I shuffled the order in which the boxes appear and moved the external links after the references as is standard format. The only box that I would cut is the NBA live cover box. Seems kinda useless. Quadzilla99 08:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laughing incident

just wanted to gather some thoughts regarding including the laughing incident where Duncan got ejected? this is without mentioning the length accorded to the incident (about 1/5 of the 2003-07 section) Chensiyuan 08:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely daft - to include it. Manderiko 20:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incident

There should be more explanation of the Joey Crawford incident. As currently written it is very one-sided.

NP Chensiyuan 02:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there was some reason for Crawford's seemingly harsh reaction to Duncan laughing. Duncan is known as one who complains more than most athletes - with that wide-eyed, who-me look almost every time an official whistles him for a foul. AOL sports even named Duncan one of the all-time whiners in sports - see http://sports.aol.com/photos/biggest-whiners-in-sports So there should be something about Duncan's whining in here. Jacksonthor (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Undue, point, and fringe; need more evidence of a widely held opinion. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Leader of the Spurs" (from opening paragraph)

This description might be vague to non-NBA fans. Could we change "leader" to the more precise "captain"? Zagalejo 06:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Either is fine to me but if you think capt is better than I suppose. Chensiyuan 06:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Something else I noticed: what's with the height field in the infobox? I can't figure out what the problem is. 76.197.193.86 06:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Good eyes. I think it's fixed now. Chensiyuan 07:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gang of six

Duncan is one of only six NBA players to ever win ROY and all three MVP awards --- do we have a source for this? I tried googling it to no avail. Chensiyuan 16:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I uncommented this and left it with a {{fact}} tag - I think it's too important to leave invisible, and there is more chance of finding a source for it if it's tagged. Cricketgirl 09:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

am in the process of refining the article in the hope of nominating it for FA... would welcome all manner of assistance, particularly with improvement of prose. Chensiyuan 11:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I just listed it, article is worth giving it a shot. —Onomatopoeia 13:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Working on it as I have time to. SabarCont 07:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quadruple-Double Miss

Isn't Duncan's near quad-double noteworthy? Per Wikipedia's own quadruple-double article: Tim Duncan, June 15, 2003, NBA Finals, San Antonio vs. New Jersey; 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks. I figured it'd be in the part mentioning defeating New Jersey. It was one of NBA.com's top 60 playoff moments too and further cements Duncan's dominance at his position. SabarCont 11:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It's now mentioned in the relevant section. Chensiyuan 14:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-automated peer review

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[edit] finishing college

I realize the promise he made his mother to finish college is very important. However the article seems to mention it 4 times. It's a bit redundant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.200.29.93 (talk) 01:16, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

ok, it's less now. Chensiyuan 02:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MOS breaches

Pls fix the MOS breaches throughout the article. Date ranges and sports scores are separated by endashes, not hyphens, per WP:DASH. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Y Done, I think. Chensiyuan picked up major slack, and I just scanned through the article and only found 1 error. If you still have objections, feel free to point them out. —Onomatopoeia 07:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks for fixing those little things; some editors actually protest and refuse to make fixes post-FAC <grrrrr ... > SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I am wondering about some WP styling; as a former sportswriter, standard AP style dictates that scores, series results, etc., ALWAYS be written with the winning score first, such as 86-69; I noticed in several areas in this article that playoff series may have been lost, 1-3 or 2-4. This would be inappropriate in newspaper copy; best practice is to rephrase such that the winning team is noted for clinching a 3-1 or 4-2 series victory, even if it is not the Spurs (or whichever team is being discussed). While I changed a few instances here, is there a hard and fast rule across the board, one way or the other? I would think that AP style would be most appropriate.--Crowe0323 (talk) 01:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tenth NBA All-Star source

[1] - would insert later. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Misc: reread jockbio, update NCAA records (rebounds, blocks, double doubles). Chensiyuan (talk) 08:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

More sources: [2] Chensiyuan (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] someone vandalized the page!!

They referred to Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen as being gay and doing gay things, and they also mentioned Tony Parker too but I erased it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.22.82 (talk) 08:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)