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[edit] Unexplained deletions

I have restored two external links that were deleted without explanation. It is best to explain deletions in the edit summary or here.—Theo (Talk) 22:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flagged for cleanup

An anonymous editor has made some useful additions with unusual spelling and grammar. I lack the time to fix this now. Could some helpful gnome have a go?—Theo (Talk) 07:57, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have flagged this for cleanup again. The article doesn't seem to be entirely certain if it is for the TV show or televesion series, there is very little explanation of the show before the huge table of characters, and things just seem generally cluttered. DirectorStratton 03:22, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clairvoyance

I've just removed this from the article:

" In 2007, a semi-sequel called Magic Railroad will be released directly to video/DVD (Engines Can Do It)."

It's changed release date and title, and aside from the uncertainty, it lacks a source, and looks two years into the future. --Mel Etitis ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|Μελ I can tell you something right now! The aforementioned"Engines Can Do It" Movie Is FAKE! And until I get some concrete proof, I mean sources, dates, names, engines, I am going to continue to say it's FAKE! (That is all!) Ετητης)]] 14:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] an xplained deletion

Deleted this sentence as not being relevent to the TV series.

In 1987, Awdry and his brother George published The Island of Sodor, a book detailing the full history of the railways of Sodor.

apologies for the large number of small edits. -- Doldrums 19:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] merge proposal

There are a huge number of articles now on characters who have appeared in one or two episodes only. I feel they would be better merged into just a few articles. Feel free to suggest better names for the merged articles. Which article belongs where should be obvious from the main article. I have not marked any of the proposed articles as there are probably about 50 of them!

I don't think anything else merits an entry beyond an list item. Even many that would fit in the above categories don't need anything more. Thryduulf 23:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

On the lists: What do the * signify next to some names? I see no explanation.
I see the fat controller. Does the thin controller not appear in the series?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.66.51.165 (talk • contribs)
The * indicates that the character is from the film only, not the TV series. It did say that somewhere. There is no "thin controller", only a fat one. Thryduulf 22:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Mergr proposal sounds good. If there's enough material to support a decent sized article, leave it be, but merge the rest into the lists proposed. I think you could get away woth merging the last two suggestions into a combined list, something like Non-railway/locomotive vehicles. Saberwyn 03:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Good idea, I've made the change above. Thryduulf 18:31, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] engines vs. locomotives

Personally I think the way forward is to do a similar thing to the List of Discworld characters articles. Major characters (for example Rincewind, The Luggage) have their own articles, linked from the list. The rest are listed in Minor Discworld characters.

Assuming this was done I would query the particlar choice of name for the article. The use of the term "engine" is depracated in favour of "locomotive". A steam locomotive such as Thomas has two "engines" - each piston and associated valve gear which drives the wheels is an "engine" in its own right. A diesel locomotive contains one or more diesel engines which power the locomotive. Daisy the Diesel Rail-Car for example has two "engines" but is not a locomotive but a multiple unit.

There is also the fact that some characters appear only in The Railway Series, the original books by Rev. W Awdry, some appear only in Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends, the TV Series. Some, but not all, appear in both.

I think any article of this type would need to use the term "characters" because some characters are coaches, trucks, road vehicles, and even people and animals.

Anyone wishing to browse a list of those characters which are locomotives could use Category:Fictional locomotives.

-=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 15:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge article name

I posted this on User_talk:Thryduulf but I now see he invited replies here. On some (quite a few?) TTE-related articles you have put a tag to merge into a new article "Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)". There is a problem. Your title really rather strongly implies the TV series but many of these characters also appear in The Railway Series. The authors of that article seem to have been very careful to list only the characters that appear in the books, not the extras brought in for TV. I suspect the book readers might not like your proposed article title though I expect an acceptable title could be found, maybe a rediect would help. Each character would probably need to be designated according to its provenance (this ought to be case now but it has often been done incorrectly). I've commented to you here because otherwise the discussion would be very distributed! Thincat 14:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the problem is there is no ideal title - (The Railway Series) restricts it to the books. I'm not set on the titles I suggested, they were just the best that I coudl come up with - if you can improve on them by all means please do so! Thryduulf 15:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The TV Series has gone in a different direction to the Railway Series. For example, the Awdrys would never have thought of Henry as the tree-loving engine he is in the TV Series. As such, the two should really be kept separate.

I have spent considerable time organising the Railway Engines page (a process which is continuing). You will notice that Railway Series characters have been removed, and character profiles standardised. In my mind, a separate article should be created for Railway Series characters. Gonzerelli 08:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song Lyrics

Someone has entered the lyrics for a number of songs but little else. To no avail, I asked that editor to tidy things up. So I have followed copyright violation procedure. I didn't want to meddle with the back links, but I thought editors of this page might want to delink the following pages. --William Pietri 23:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

  • 'Thomas Anthem'
  • 'Every Cloud has a Silver Lining'
  • 'Surprises' Song
  • 'Busy' Song
  • 'Try to do things Better' Song

[edit] Songs List

The songs "That's what friends are for" and "Rules and Regulations" are for the Series 4 category, as that is when they were realeased, but only on a cassette. They have not had videos made for them. -- Skarloey 13:16, 17 January 2006.

[edit] Hello

Hi, I'm new here. By the way, I have noticed many of the 'rolling stock' and 'coaches' articles have been removed from the main page. Why? And could someone put them back please? Another thing, Bertram the Old Warrior's picture is unavailable for viewing being of Tripod's silly logo. Could someone please put it on the page? I don't know how to.--Thomasfan 14:19 6th December 2005 (UTC)

Well, we won't be able to because Tripod has its copyright. Try ask at the Wikipedia:help desk on how to upload pics. S.C.Ruffeyfan

[edit] Conciseness and irrelevance

I have noticed a tendency for this article to wind up consisting almost entirely of lists while not containing very much useful information. These lists tend to simply just be a lot of names, with no explanation as to who they are, what they do, their history or anything. There isn't even consistency of presentation.

There is slightly more information for the locomotives of the NWR (whatever that is), but it's frankly dull technical facts. I would suggest that someone who comes on to this page hoping to find out about, say, Edward would not care that he's a 4-4-0 Larger Seagull, but they might want to know what his character is actually like. I think technical information should be put on the characters' own pages, so that if anyone wants to find out more, they can go there instead of having to wade through a load of information that means nothing to them.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. In my mind, rather than listing on this page, it would be more appropriate for characters to be listed and described on separate pages.

I've been putting considerable time and effort into the Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) article recently. So rather than listing or even describing the railway characters on this page, link to the Railway Engines page. The same could be done for non-rail characters. Gonzerelli 15:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The NWR stands for 'North Western Railway', or the 'true' railway TTTE and Friends work for. NW was on the toy Rev. Awdry gave to Christopher at Christmas. F3CNW 8:40 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fanon and non-characters

I've noticed that a lot of the information listed on this page seems to be entirely made up. The character of Spencer is never known as "Spencer the Silver Bullet Engine" in any official source. Not is Emily ever officially referred to as "Emily the Beautiful Engine". Emily's coaches are not "0-6-0", as the Whyte system does not apply to rolling stock.

There are also a lot of characters listed who are not actually characters. The Ice Cream Wagons are not characters- they do not speak, they have no faces, no personality is described. You can no more describe them as "characters" than you could describe the track as such.

[edit] Cleanup

Since I last looked at it, the article has drifted off into a bit of a mess again. The English, formatting, and general style need a good overhaul. I've done a (very) little, but much more remains to be done. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fake information

Though I'm not a member of Wikipedia, I think this needs to be brought to attention. Somebody has been putting false information into the Series 6-10 episode pages, such as adding fake episode titles and characters. They've even made up an entire episode and character list for Series 10, which has yet to premiere. Other people have also been posting fake information all over these pages; in some cases they even repost it as soon as it's been removed. Is there anything that can be done about this?

Sadly, there's not a lot we can do about it, except remove any such information as soon as we see it. There are a number of people dedicated to maintaining Thomas&Friends/RailwaySeries pages, who are quite knowledgeable, however if you see anything that you think is wrong, or can't possibly be right, feel free to contact one of us (myself included), and even delete it yourself (which we will check). Regards, Gonzerelli 12:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been keeping regular tabs on the guide so I can remove any false information that's being put up. There's one annoying issue that I think should be brought up; somebody keeps posting fake "US alternative titles" in the Series 7-9 episode guides (such as "Skarloey to the Rescue" for "Skarloey the Brave"). This has been going on for a while now, and though I clear out any such information if I get wind of it, the same person usually comes back and reposts it. It's really starting to get on my nerves, and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

I've started to delete fake information(such as fake engines), but my changes were reverted back to the false information by a mod. Is there a way to make it so only mods familiar with this topic can make changes? TOP 05:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed something that seems to be becoming a problem. Someone keeps leaving clumsily-written, badly-worded messages about Thomas appearing on Playhouse Disney. I'm pretty sure the information is false, but they keep doing it over and over again. I fear this may turn into a situation similar to the "Ten Cents and the Golden Tunnel" one currently taking place on the "Tugs" page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.103 (talk • contribs) .
Can you give an example of a page where this is happening. If editors add false information it will be removed, and in extreme cases the editor concerned can be blocked. Thanks, Gwernol 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure. It mostly happens on the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section, though earlier today I saw it occur in the trivia section of the sub-article devoted to the Thomas songs. Here are specific links...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&direction=prev&oldid=62213919
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_and_Friends&oldid=61111472
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Thomas_the_Tank_Engine_%26_Friends_Songs&oldid=62216791
(The first two are in the "Thomas on Television and in Film" section; the latter is somewhere in the trivia section)
Thanks, that's very useful. I've added the songs page to my watchlist and will keep an eye out. Unfortunately this seems to be coming from AOL IP addresses, which means its not much use to block the culprit (AOL reassigns IP addresses all the time, so if I block one IP it effects lots of other AOL users and probably doesn't stop the person making the edits). Best, Gwernol 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
That's good to hear. I'm afraid whoever is behind it was at again this morning, and they've been targetting the narrators section this time. I fear this is going to blow way out of proportion if it carries on.
And no matter what, I delete the info on Thomas & Shining Time Station appearing on Playhouse Disney, and the next second, it has been reverted by one of the vandal's 'little friends'. BigThomasFan 11:10, 28 August 2006

[edit] Proposed merge

I think Duncan's Ghost should probably be included as a character in this article, any thoughts? -- Scott 19:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

"Duncan's Ghost" is not worthy of an article or section of any article. I won't go so far as to delete the original page, but there are dozens of characters more worthy of being on the main page than this 'nothing' character. Gonzerelli 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bricked up in Tunnel

There is a local rumour that the engine (can't remember which one)which was bricked up in a tunnel, is based on Box Tunnel just to the east of Bath, (as rev Audrey lived in Box) but I can't find any mention of this on the Thomas pages or the tunnel page. Any thruth in this? Rod 16:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a reference to the popular "strategic reserve" legend. Basically, the rumour was that when steam engines were being withdrawn from British Railways, a few were secretly kept back in case of nuclear war (steam engines wouldn't be affected by the electromagnetic pulse of an atomic bomb). One of the places suggested for this strategic reserve is Box Tunnel, bricked up on a secret siding within the tunnel. However, there's no strong evidence for this.

Tom

However there was a secret siding at Box tunnel, it wasn't to do with the mythical "strategic reserve". It in fact lead to Burlington, which was the government's now-decommissioned nuclear bunker located next to the tunnel in Corsham, Wiltshire. This was where the central government would move to in case of nuclear war. The idea was that the civil servants would move by train straight from London into the underground station in Burlington. With the coming of ICBMs and the four-minute warning in the 1970s it was obsolete, but wasn't decommissioned and taken off the secret list until the mid-1990s.BaseTurnComplete 11:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

That engines name is Henry. --imdanumber1 01:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what tunnel it's based on, but it's just refered to as 'Henry's Tunnel' --S.C.Ruffeyfan 12:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official statement from WikiProject Thomas re. some vandalism

Recently, an unregistered user decided to vandalise this page, insulting the Sodor Island Forums (SIF) and its members, asserting that "[SIF] think they own this place".

While it is true that WikiProject Thomas originated at SIF, and core members of WikiProject Thomas are indeed regular members of SIF, by no means do we feel as though we have specific ownership of any page on Wikipedia. We very willingly welcome anyone who wishes to contribute constructively to any pages which fall under WikiProject Thomas' scope.

Having said that, however, superfluous edits, false edits, and edits which do not make a whole lot of sense, which have been made by unregistered users, will be reverted on sight. This is not asserting any kind of ownership on an article, this is maintaining an article's quality. There is a clear difference.

If you have any concerns, feel free to raise them on an article's talk page, or at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Thomas.

Gonzerelli 11:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I find it particularly sad how well this article is maintained, and what great quality and standard it possesses, and yet it receives perhaps the most frequent amount of vandalism I have ever seen on a single article. You really do not deserve this... these vandals do not know when to stop, surely it must get boring for them, because there's always someone monitoring this page to revert damage, and it's nice to see a group of people so devoted to this particular subject. I think amongst yourselves you ought to organise some kind of vandalism block. Keep up the good work. Foxearth 09:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unknown Accident

In one of the Thomas clips on You Tube, there is a still of Henry sitting awkwardly on a bunch of tracks in a forest. Anyone know which episode the still is from? I think it might be from James and the Trouble with Trees.Ohyeh 02:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, seen that episode, Henry does not have an accident in that one. --imdanumber1 01:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Dubs????

I heard a rumour that the studios are planning to redub seasons 1 and 2 with Michael Angelis' voice over Ringo Starr. Is this true? Jienum 19:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Whether this is true or not, seasons 1 and 2 as they have been released and (initially) broadcast will be credited to Ringo Starr. If this redubbing happens, a brief referemce to it on the individual pages of both seasons will suffice. Gonzerelli 21:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 11

I've noticed that, more than enough, Season 11 has been added to the list of Seasons. Whoever is doing this, I ask that you please stop until we receive an official confirmation from HIT Entertainment that one's being made and when it's being released. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we need verifiable information. Thank you. Rusty5 12:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Its a real shame that we have one or two persistent users who seem determined to add fan fiction and other nonsense like this to articles. I have blocked the latest account User:BenK for a month and will extend this to indefinite should he continue doing this with that account or any other. Gwernol 12:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

While I do hope that a Series 11 will materialise, we still don't have any proof. Yet, unregistered users continue to post that Season 11 will be coming in 2007. I've heard from a friend that HIT confirmed at least two more seasons after 2005's Series 9, and we have gained trust in the company with the promised return of Sir Handle in Series 10, but we can't verify this like we did with Season 10. At least wait until next year to write about Series 11, or before we create a page for it. None of us members of Wikiproject Thomas want to put up with the half-year of vandalism on the Season 10 page again. Thank you. Rusty5 22:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

News! I recently received official confirmation from HIT that more episodes will be made, and that "Thomas & Friends" won't end with Series 10. An 11th series will materialise, but they haven't told me if it will be in 2007, or in a couple years. Rusty5 02:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone e-mailed HIT about a season 11. HIT has confirmed that there will be a season 11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jexerg (talk • contribs)

I'll say this once more, hopefully for the last time...
A PERSONAL E-MAIL IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE!!!!!!! Therefore, it CANNOT and WILL NOT be added until something concrete comes to light!
Gonzerelli 03:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but if it's from HIT Entertainment themselves, It'd most likely be reliable. Besides, how did we find out about Series 10? We had an article up for it around this time last year. They didn't even mention new episodes to the public until that press release, so how did we confirm Season 10 half a year earlier? I won't create an article for Season 11 yet, after all the vandalism we received with Season 10, but Thomas isn't the kind of series that spontaneously ends... Rusty5 17:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas and Autism

The National Autistic Society published a report a few years ago which detailed the 'special relationship' between many children with autism and Thomas the Tank Engine. You can read the report here and more information here (plenty more on Google too, if you search for "Thomas the Tank Engine" autism). Does anyone think this would be an appropriate/relevant topic for a new section within this article? Matt Eason 00:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Strong Support. The article also includes a link to a PDF of the original report. This sort of coverage is EXACTLY what we need to support and expand articles in WP.
(Incidentally, these findings were also mentioned in the Radio Times in 2006. I have the snippets in my garage somewhere, so I'll need to add them as a supporting reference.)
EdJogg 09:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subanthropomorphism

What is subanthropomorphism as compared to anthropomorphism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.98.224.153 (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

I'm guessing it has something to do with the only human-like parts of the engines are the faces and the common emotions. After all, they don't have arms and legs... Rusty5 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Take Along Article deletion

Why is the take along article gone

[edit] Delete this sentence

I feel we should delete this sentence:

"The use of a narrator removes the need to make characters' mouths move when they speak."

In my opinion, this sentence implies that if individual voices were used, the characters' mouths would have to move and that having a narrator removes this problem. But take for instance "TUGS"; all of the characters had specific, individual voices and a narrator. However, their mouths didn't move. This idea contradicts the basis of shows like "Bob the Builder" (in the case of the machines), Dig and Dug, and puppet shows in which the mouths of the puppets are just a line or a piece of yard or string. There are even individual voices in the Japanese versions of TTTE, and it's the British imaging.

In other words, this sentence presents a fact that the rules of most other television shows either contradict or don't apply. Perhaps, we could say something like this:

"The episodes are all written in a storybook style, rather than scripted drama material. Because of this format a narrator provides both the storytelling and the voices for the characters. Individual voices done by voice actors would make the story format seem choppy and disorganized."Ohyeh 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I have gone through the "Series history" section and taken out some of the more egregious claims and added a number of "citation needed" tags. There are no sources for any of the material in the article, and per Wikipedia's policy on verifiability we need to add some. There is a danger that much of the article could be removed unless reliable sources are added soon. Gwernol 13:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I have added references for Season 3, and re-written Season 4 to fit the references I have; but most of the seasons came out after The Thomas the Tank Engine Man was published and cannot be referenced from that book.
EdJogg 00:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

If Thomas, Edward, Henry, Gordon, James, Percy, Toby, Henrietta, Bertie, Annie, Clarabel, The Fat Controller and The Troublesome Trucks are the only characters to appear in every season of the show, how come Henrietta is not in Season 9? Can someone remove Henrietta from that trivia because Season 9 is the only one where she is NOWHERE to be found? 169.204.208.27

Henrietta doesn't appear in Season 9, but she does appear in Season 11. TobytheTramEngine 18:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Up for deletion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_and_Friends_Song_Lyrics

This page made by me. I think it will be useful after more is added and I do not see how bad it is.

Diesel 10 12:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but they're quite right. The song lyrics are the copyright of whoever wrote them, and reproducing them here, whether you listened and transcribed them or copied them from another webpage, is still a violation of that copyright. Since Wikipedia could face legal action from the copyright holder if the text remained here, the strict WP policies on copyright demand that the text is deleted 'immediately'. Afraid you won't win this one, and I can't think of an alternative approach that wouldn't breach a different copyright somewhere else. EdJogg 12:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video discussion

I miss having the video discussion. Can we please post up two new articles, one with the US releases and the other with UK releases? and this time, don't let anyone post up a bunch of bullshit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.19.167 (talk) 02:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas and Friends video releases and Talk:Thomas and Friends video releases. A straight list of 'Thomas' DVDs and their contents does not add to the quality of Wikipedia, and the free-use images will not meet FUR guidelines. The page, as it was, contained no references that could be used to verify the information, and hence it was prone to 'fan-fiction' additions by so-called Thomas fans. (I presime that is what you meant by "bullshit".)
If you can adequately address the issues raised in the AfD discussion (see link above) then there is scope for you to create the page/s. If you cannot, then creating the article again may lead to its speedy deletion.
Please note that, before its 'deletion', the page was 'rescued' to the TrainSpotting World wiki. (Find page here) The rules at TSW are much less strict than here at WP, and you'll be able to do the UK/US split and enhance the article to your heart's delight!
EdJogg 08:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Do any of you mind if I create an article about Ernest the Engine and Others? I edited my sandbox and put the description about it. TobytheTramEngine 20:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. It's probably on a Comedy Inc article. Have a check.

S.C.Ruffeyfan 09:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I created it. It was in my sandbox. Remind me if anything is wrong. TobytheTramEngine 17:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I looked on Comedy Inc. and it wasn't there. You can make the article. :) S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I already did. Here's the article: Ernest the Engine and Others. TobytheTramEngine 18:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

It could do with a pic. I've got one in my Photobucket Album:[1] Here it is. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 12:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That should be OK but the article's too small for images. Still needs ton of work. TobytheTramEngine 19:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you need to add Gale the Guard's Diesel as a character--S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Henrietta in Season 9?

I noticed one of the lines that focus on some characters appearing in every Season. But I couldn't find Henrietta in Season 9, so I removed her. Do not revert my edit until Henrietta can rarely be seen in one of the episodes in Season 9. TobytheTramEngine 20:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed her from the trivia again. However, please do not revert that edit because I really can't find her in Season 9 or 10. I believed that Season 8 is her last appearance (to date). Correct me if I'm wrong. TobytheTramEngine 16:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added her in a slightly different way -- this should avoid some of the reversions... Please revise if there are more Seasons where she does not appear. EdJogg 00:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Well, I didn't realize she returned in Season 11 until I saw the episode Toby's Triumph. TobytheTramEngine 19:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops. I removed her because she didn't appear in Season 9 or 10. TobytheTramEngine 19:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I will now restore that edit. TobytheTramEngine 18:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I just did. If I did anymore mistakes, let me know. TobytheTramEngine 18:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Narrators

A particular anon editor persists in re-arranging the 'Narrators' section, moving Ringo Starr and Pierce Brosnan to a section incorrectly titled 'Both versions'. Now, there are problems with this (see later) but I think this is an unhelpful arrangement. My arrangement is to show all the UK narrators in chronological order, followed by all the US narrators in chronological order (with the US entry for Brosnan being a very short duplication) -- see revision. The anon editor dislikes this arrangement (and has reverted it several times now) because he has stated that Ringo Starr narrated both UK and US versions, which I didn't think was the case. (For accuracy, the title of the combined section would need to be 'UK and U.S. versions', since 'Both versions' could mean almost anything.

Having looked at the anon editors talk page, he has been warned numerous times for instances of vandalism, adding incorrect information, etc, so I don't see much point in trying to induce a discussion with him.

Views from other contributors would be welcome.

EdJogg 00:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Is this Two Narrator thing True? - Bladez636 (talk · contribs)
it is true. Ringo narrated Seasons 1 & 2 which were re-narrated by George for STS & then Michael and George narrated seperately (the same happened with S5-S11) and the editor should stop reverting it--S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
So, could you revise the text into a 'definitive' form, bearing in mind the concerns I raised, above?
EdJogg 16:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Pack

Do you think we should rename the On Site with Thomas article to Jack and the Pack? --S.C.Ruffeyfan 15:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I think so. I recently heard that more Pack eps. are being made but, that could be spectulation...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)



[edit] PBS Sprout

I discovered that they are now starting to have 30 minute blocks of thomas and friends on saturday and sunday mornings at 8:00 A.M. Pacific time. However, I don't know if this has been going on for a while or if they just started recently. Each block consist of 4 episodes from seasons 1-7 as of what I know. I was wondering if we could create a thomas and friends on PBS Sprout page and include a episode guide for the 30 min blocks. This might be helpful to those that don't know when it's on and what to expect. One more thing, if we do create a guide, it wouldn't be a bad idea to write the season # and/or the narrator for each episode. If you have questions, please just type them on here and I will answer them ASAP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.173.48 (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia, but this sort of schedule information does not belong on Wikipedia. If you create such a page it will be speedily deleted. There are lots of Thomas forums where such information may be posted. Not trying to be nasty, just explaining what the rules are here so you won't be upset when your edits are deleted.
EdJogg (talk) 07:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)