Talk:Thomas J. Kelly (Irish nationalist)

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[edit] Arrest

The article says "Kelly played an important role in the failed Fenian Rising of 1867 and was arrested." The next paragraph is about his arrest and rescue in the incident that led to the Manchester Martyrdom, now is this the same arrest, or was he arrested twice? If it's the same then those paragraphs should be merged. -R. fiend (talk) 14:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

My impression is that he was arrested twice, and escaped twice. As Kelly is usually only mentioned in passing in most of the sources I managed to consult, it hasn't proved easy to reconstruct his biography. I'll take another look at it.--Damac (talk) 14:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unreliable sources removed, citations requested

As Damac disregards any self-published, non-peer reviewed, non-expert source when it suits him, as can be seen here, it seems strange that this source being used in this article. It's a self published source on free web-hosting, therefore fails Damac's own high standards for sourcing. Removed and tagged accordingly. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That source you refer to is not a self-published source, but rather a transcript of John Savage's, Fenian Heroes and Martyrs (Boston: Patrick Donahoe, 1868).--Damac (talk) 14:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't a transcript as the page says. The page clearly says "so caution must be used when quoting or copying what I have done for historical research purposes". This is an encyclopedia, therefore we must err on the side of caution, as it says "Scholars should refer to the original text of the book". One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I've checked the original and am amazed to find that:

"A farmer's son, Kelly was born in Mountbellew, County Galway, in 1833. After apprenticing in the printing trade in Loughrea, he emigrated to the United States in 1851, where he worked as a printer in New York. He later joined the Emmet Monument Association, an Irish-American Irish republican group."

actually reads

"Schlips gegen Uniform! Seit Monaten demonstrieren Anwälte gegen die Autokratie in Pakistan. Nach der Ermordung Benazir Bhuttos brannten Autos und Banken. Nun wird am Sonntag gewählt. Aber wer zählt die Stimmen? Über der zivilen Regierung stehen die Generäle."

How silly of me? I guess you just can't trust OCR.--Damac (talk) 14:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Pity your little self-published source says it isn't reliable then innit? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 15:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)