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==Better Articles-- i think we need to change some of the articles so they go in order in what they happen

[edit] Timeframe?

What is meant by "The timeframe is not accurate however more approximate judging on weather, media and climate."

What does the climate and weather have to do with how long a season last and when it is aired?

  • What it means is that we don't exactly know what year it is until they tell it which is why you look what season it is:

Here's how I broke up the time difference between the seasons

  • Season 1: 1999, introduction year.
  • Season 2: 2000, a year after last season's events
  • Season 3: 2000-2001 Seeing Meadow graduated in June of 2000, and returns to college in September when the FBI plans their surveillance it would make sense. ...To Save Us All From Satan's Power is a Christmas-themed episode which would be Christmas of 2000. The following episode Pine Barrens would take place around January 2001 since it was winter.
  • Season 4: 2001-2002: Season 4 is probably the hardest because there is no mention of a year. We assume it begins in fall of 2001 since Uncle Junior's trial starts in October. And there is really no winter so it jumps a few months into '02.
  • Season 5: 2004: takes place two years after Tony and Carm's separation. Season 5 seems to jump a lot of the seasons: with a few episodes being in the spring, summer, fall and finally the winter (in the season finale).
  • Season 6: 2006: According to producers, Season 6 takes place two years after the death of Adriana and arrest of Johnny Sack.Sfufan2005 19:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Season 4 starting in Autumn 2001 would be backed up with the 9/11 Quasimodo reference from Bobby.

[edit] Reorganisations

[edit] Big Pussy

Silvio is not Tony's best friend. It was mentioned that Big Pussy was close to Tony and that he "loved him". Furthermore in an episode Carmella says Tony doesn't have any real friends just a bunch of flunkies that compliment him on his shoes and tell him he's not going bald. He then says "What about Artie then?" His best friend is either Big Pussy or Artie Bucco and there has never been any insinuation that Silvio Dante was. Capablemachine 10:31 10 December 2006 (UTC)

But paulie also says he "loved big paulie as a brother". The term "loved" is used as a symbol of terrible loss if anything, not an indicator of "tony's best friend." I agree that it is Artie Bucco as he is the only character who makes a major mistake (loaning $50k and losing it) who is not family and is not punished.Ryan Matthews 18:03 December 12

There is no "best friend" scenario in the mind of Tony Soprano. If anyone could be called his friend it should be Dr.Melfi, she listens to his problems, offers her advice and asks for nothing (nor offers)in return. Artie may have the distinction of being Tonys longest non mobbed up associate but once he tried to be involved in the game he lost the role of friend.--Jasklo 23:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with all of you, actually. Silvio is one of his closest associates, but not his best friend. Artie Bucco was a close friend, but not his best friend either. Dr. Melfi is his psychiatrist. They have a close relationship, but as she has personally pointed out, time and time again, it is a professional/working relationship. I believe that the only best friend Tony has ever had, would have to be Jackie Aprile. Though he was only in a couple episodes, it has been said time and time again of their close relationships. They both started working together. They stayed together through all the problems that ever arose, and Tony resolves a potentially deadly dispute with Uncle Junior because of it. 24.29.58.97 00:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)Alexander S. Hoffman 20:44 April 09, 2007

[edit] John Tiffen Patterson

I've snipped the non-sequitur See also link to John Tiffen Patterson. If there's really a need to randomly single out this minor detail (Allen Coulter and Tim Van Patten have directed as many episodes, and Steve Buscemi, Peter Bogdanovich and David Chase himself are much more notable helmers), it should be done in a credits section à la Dawson's Creek#Credits, but personally I think such lengthy lists clutter up Wikipedia with info that belongs on (and is inevitably copied from) iMDB.

chocolateboy 17:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. – flamurai (t) 17:21, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking up article a little

Personally I feel the episode list should be moved to its own article. Perhaps List of episodes from The Sopranos. I also think that we should streamline the list of characters given that we have an article on the subject List of characters from The Sopranos. The character tables could be moved there in favor of a shorter list here of the bare necessity. K1Bond007 June 30, 2005 02:17 (UTC)

  • There's already one... List of The Sopranos episodes. Someone added it to the main article though. Just relocated it. You can revert if you like. Sfufan2005 June 30, 2005 02:52 (UTC)
    • Ahh.. thanks for pointing this out. K1Bond007 June 30, 2005 21:26 (UTC)
  • I agree, but I think it's more a matter of hoping that we get a User:SopranosFan of the caliber of our User:Sfufan2005 to add some of that pesky content to the article :-) It's quite a feeble article considering it's the greatest show of all time. Note that, rather than doing anything about it, I find it easier to rally other troops :-)
chocolateboy 30 June 2005 23:46 (UTC)
  • Glad to be of service for the greatest show besides SFU. How about adding to the article favorite quotes, Trivia, etc... a la Desperate Housewives. Sfufan2005 June 30, 2005 23:59 (UTC)

The last 'boss of bosses' was infact 'Lucky' Luciana, after Maranzano, since then knowone is thought to have enough power over the other families to be names cap di tutti capi. Johnny Sack is currently boss of the fictional Lupertazzi family, not the genuine Genovese family. The position of head of the comission doesnt really exist, just some bosses were thought to have more power than the other, so were unoficially 'Chairman of the Comission'.

[edit] criticism addition

I added the following to the criticism section. It's actually quite a nice addition. I'd appreciate a response. thanks. From an analytical perspective, here's a comical summary of the nature of the series thus far: Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Jimmy Altieri was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Brendan Filone got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Big Pussy was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Richie Aprile got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Raymond Curto was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Jackie Jr. got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Jack Massarone was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Ralph Cifaretto got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Adriana was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Tony Blundetto got whacked. And now...the sixth season premiere of The Sopranos. YAY! - Zarbon

This already got deleted (rightfully), but I just want to point out that Tony didn't fetch the paper at the beginning of season five. Tim Jan. 23, 2006 6:56.

- he fetched the paper in season 5 episode "Test Dream" in the plaza hotel, in his robe. so there. - Zarbon

You got that from the Two Tonys TWoP recap by Aaron, didn't you? Sfufan2005 20:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Well spotted. So Zarbon ripped off a Television without Pity recap word for word except for the "Yay!". (which is a commercial copyright breach by the way) here's the link: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=44&story=6372&limit=&sort=

I didn't rip it off. it's good to add. i'm still wondering as to why it shouldn't be added actually. It pretty much sums up the series so well, it's unmistakingly perfect. I just liked it for the fact that Brendan Filone was mentioned, since he's my alltime favorite character and all. - Zarbon

I think it is only fair that someone take Zarbon out back and shoot him. And of course, pick up a newspaper.

hey, as long as i get shot right in the eye, like Brendan Filone, I'm happy. - Zarbon

Wikipedia:Talk page highlights#Talk:The Sopranos
Well, it made me laugh. Remove or correct if you disapprove or object :-)
chocolateboy 01:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major characters vs. Recurring characters

I propose to move the recurring characters to their own article since they are taking up way too much room on the main page. I was thinking of what the users on the Lost page, there are series regulars on the main page with just their name: e.g.

  • James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano
  • Lorraine Bracco as Dr. Melfi etc.

And on the characters page which is already in existence, we have the full list of characters with their linking page and for those characters who do not have a page, they receive a summary on the Characters page. If you don't understand me just check out Characters of Lost for more information. I just wanted to alert everyone before I started cleaning up the article. Sfufan2005 21:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parodies

Anyone reading this entry in order will not appreciate the mention and analysis of multiple parodies of the title theme appearing so early in the article. (this is a wikipedia tendency to come accross references to, say, the simpsons in some place where they really aren't of much use). Anyone agree? I'd like to just remove it but maybe someone wants to move it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.246.230 (talk • contribs)

I agree with you, I'll move the second half of the Title sequence section to the Praise/Criticism section. Sfufan2005 04:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Product placement

After watching Members Only one thing which sticks in my mind is the blatant product placement. We had enough about the Porsche Cayenne Turbo with the V8 and the little Porsche Boxster .vs. Corvette quip. From previous series I remember the Nissan 4x4, and the Cadillac Escalade with its crash protection saving Tony's and Adriana's lives. What's the background for this? Is HBO actively taking sponsorship? Does this merit a section in the main article?

No, I don't think this deserves mention in the article because there has been mention of brand names since the Pilot. Carmela uses Campbell's soup, the FBI likes Pepsi whereas The Sopranos like Coke. It would just be a long laundry list. Sfufan2005 17:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
  • If anyone can find a good article (not just something from a random blog) about product placement, I think it could be a worthwhile mention, just cite the article as a source. I don't think a list of all product placemeents would be very useful, but an explanation of their role in the show (financial and otherwise) would be interesting. --W.marsh 17:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I remember reading a New York Times article a couple of years ago or so where this Sopranos producer or executive basically lied and said one of the wonderful things about the Sopranos is that there is no product placement whatsoever and they only use real life products for authenticity. I found this very doubtful, given how much the Sopranos family loooooooooves Snapple and other such instances Bwithh 19:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Also note the occasional product placement of other HBO programs in the show e.g. Curb Your Enthusiasm and Band of Brothers Bwithh 19:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Not really the issue, but to me talking about products by using their product names adds to the authenticty of the dialog. Most of these people are materialistic and shallow, they place value on name brands, etc... Tim 21:36, March 18, 2006
I never noticed it until "Members Only." It was blatant and ridiculous. Volksgeist 13:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

In Join The Club we had AJ ask Meadow something about the Toyota Prius for no apparent reason. Then later he says something about the Mustang GT (I think it was) being better than a BMW M3 in horsepower figures. Google for Sopranos and "product placement" and you'll turn up quite a few people who comment on this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0603150036mar15,1,1509312.column?coll=chi-business-hed

I think there's a difference between "product placement" (which is taking money from sponsors to feature their products in a show, often with cross-promotion - ie. James Bond and BMW) and using name-brand products in a show to give it authenticity. It's jarring when a couple of wealthy guys are sitting around drinking no-name beer, as we've seen in the past. While some may doubt whether the spokespeople are telling the truth, the article should only feature sourced information. If it deserves mention in the article at all (which I'm dubious about) it should be something like "Sopranos is known for featuring name-brand products such as cars and clothing labels prominently. Spokespeople for HBO and the various products claim that no money is involved in these appearances, which are used to give the show a sense of authenticity." - dharmabum 01:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

HBO never accepts paid placements. I've renamed the "product placement" section to "depiction of brands", and removed the text which speculated about how much money HBO makes from paid placements. Please be sure to do a quick Google before adding speculative text to articles. Rhobite 03:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

No, HBO claims they never accept product placements - have you watched an episode of Entourage recently (by the way note how the Maserati sports car has been a plot device on both Sopranos and Entourage)? I agree that that the idea of how much income HBO gets from is speculative, but product placement doesnt have to be directly paid for to be product placement e.g. why are Apple computer products so frequently used by characters in TV shows (far more common than in real life) - because Apple actively gives away laptops to TV shows(including Sopranos) for product placement purposes with no monies attached. (I'm sure some of those laptops find their way in to producers' home sthough. Bwithh 03:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm OK with an "according to HBO" prefix, but please don't remove the Chicago Tribune reference. Your speculation about Maserati and Snapple is original research. If you have a source for Apple giving away laptops to HBO, please cite it. Rhobite 03:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
According to this Hollywood Reporter/Reuters story, during the first four months of 2006, Apple products were featured 250 times on 38 primetime network shows. HBO isn't mentioned in connection with Apple, but the article does site a deal between Aston Martin, the car company, and HBO for Entourage. The article also describes the phenomenon of "free" product placement in general, and notes that Apple has a long history of giving away free products to TV shows and movies. Also see the Businessweek link below which tracks Sopranos Product placement. I'll do some research later on this Bwithh 04:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I can find backup references for the Apples and the Maserati at least. But in general, i think that subsection has too many brand names. so I will try to trim that down. By the way, a quick google shows that Businessweek magazine has a regular blog feature dedicated to analyzing product placement in the Sopranos. see this link. Bwithh 03:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
ps I didnt notice your Chicago Tribune link. I would not have deleted it if I noticed it. sorry about that. Bwithh 03:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought 'Luxury Lounge' was the best episode of Season 6 so far. Especially as I have a couple of Oris watches. And it seems I'm not alone: [1] and [2]. Very much in the realm of trivia, but is there merit in a separate article on this? --Morgandp 09:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motorola Praise

There was a quote somewhere in the show where once of the characters bought a Motorola phone for someone as a gift, saying something about how it was the best phone. Anyone remember this? I want to say it was the third or fourth season. Maybe the X-Mas episode?

The Motoraloa product placement occured in episode 54: Rat Pack. Tony Soprano buys his cousin Tony Blundetto the phone so they can stay in touch - BADABINGMAN919

[edit] Formerly Starring

I'm personally against the formerly starring bit. we have all the supporting ppl in the character page. we don't need to have them listed again on the sopranos main page as formerly starring. people who click on the list of sopranos characters link will obviously see them. also, eugene and richie were never main characters. they were simply guest stars. - Zarbon

Yeah but its just not the characters; it's also the cast. What I intended with the "formerly starring" were the cast members that were in the opening credits (i.e. Marchand, de Matteo and Marchand) previously and were taken out after they left The Sopranos so I believe they still deserve to be credited since they were series regulars. Sfufan2005 02:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Eugene was always listed as a star in the main credits despite his largely background role until "Members Only" so I think it's reasonable to have him on the main page -Opark77

[edit] Life imitating art

"Big Pussy" was clearly based on Frank Bompensiro as they share the same last name, both were FBI informants, and were both murdered (although differently). Maybe it should be added to the Sopranos somewhere...triva?? notyouravgjoe 22:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

That's original research unless you can find a primary source that says that. --Bk0 (Talk) 18:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Here they are

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I don't see anything there that says that Big Pussy from the show is based on Frank Bompensiro. --Bk0 (Talk) 00:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, however perhaps there should be a section which details coincidences of the sopranos with real life. I know that several of the scams Tony has done are identical to ones which were actually performed. I don't mean generic mafia crimes such as loansharking or extortion, but specific ones like the calling card scam. Just a thought. notyouravgjoe 19:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Unless those coincidences come from a primary source it's all original research. I'm not saying you have bad ideas but we need to follow standards for verifiability. Any and every fact in each article needs to be traced back to some external source. That's just how it is. --Bk0 (Talk) 01:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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"Big Pussy" was clearly based on Frank Bompensiro
Not necessarily...
perhaps there should be a section which details coincidences of the sopranos with real life
Knock yourself out!
chocolateboy 02:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Notable plots and timeline

This section has gotten extremely long. I am planning on reducing it to just KEY events (maybe 10-15 per season). I would like to move what's there right now to a new subarticle, called The Sopranos timeline. That way, people who just want a quick recap (not every single detail) of what happened in past seasons, can just skim through a section in the main article. Thoughts? --W.marsh 22:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

A short synopsis for each season would be nice on this page with a Timeline on a separate page like you said. I have to admit it is becoming quite long since several bullets come from one episode alone. I'm for whatever you present to us. Sfufan2005 22:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if I have the time to totally rewrite as a synopsis, but I am currently working on weeding out some of the more mundane points (Tony gets food poisoning, Meadow throws a party, etc.) and getting it to just things of central importance to the season/series. The section was actually 44k in size, over half the size of the article. Anyway hopefully once its reduced to the key points of each season, someone can rewrite that in prose. --W.marsh 22:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
If you do move it to a separate article (which I think is a good idea) please don't edit information out of it. I think a separate article with a detailed timeline is a great idea, especially since minor events often take on greater meaning in subsequent episodes. It would be great if the timelines of the earlier seasons were as detailed as seasons five and six. --Bk0 (Talk) 23:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh no, I propose to preserve all of the existing content, just as a subarticle. I think it's the best comprimise. People will also be able to add to that article in greater detail if they want. --W.marsh 23:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of a synopsis more like this, don't worry if you don't have the time... I'll try to help out the best I could since I'm spending a lot of time on the episode articles. Sfufan2005 22:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I have trimmed it and created the subarticle, trimming 20k off of the main article. Further highly detailed information should probably be moved from the main article to the subarticle, or to individual episode articles. Thanks for the above comments. --W.marsh 02:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced Criticism

This was in the criticism section of the article:

Other criticisms (pointed out by journalist Eli Evans) include that the show has become formulaic with characters placed as foils for Tony Soprano, following the formula of the character being introduced at the beginning of the season, disobeying Tony repeatedly throughout their run on the show, then eventually getting killed (or targeted) for their insubordination, usually towards the end of the season. The major examples of this are Mikey Palmice in Season One, Richie Aprile in Season Two, Jackie, Jr. in Season Three, Ralph Cifaretto in Seasons Three and Four, and Tony Blundetto in Season Five.

I think it's a very valid point, but it really feels like independent reporting or editorializing. The only citation is the name-dropping of "journalist Eli Evan", with no indication of who this is or where/when the opinion was published. If a notable journalist (or cluster of lesser-knowns) have published this in their review of later seasons, by all means cite the sources and re-instert this bit of information. --72.224.150.233 04:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] quoting The Godfather

I need to do some checking on this, and once I do, I will make some changes in The Godfather section, but I am certain that, on a number of occasions, when Silvio is doing his Al Pacino impression, he actually mangles the quotations. This has to have been done on purpose by the writers, and I think it's hilarious! --Charles 04:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malapropisms

I like this new title, it is more fitting. However, the content of the section is now being expanded to encompass an overall sense of the perceived ineptitude or buffoonishness of the mobsters in general. This is not in keeping with the title "malapropisms," which refers specifically to the problem of mispronouncing words, misunderstanding their meanings, and/or using the word(s) incorrectly. --Charles 05:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I put in the content but someone changed the title. When you really think about it, much of the popularity and humor of the show is based on the stupidity of the mobsters. I think the title of this section will evolve over time, but its a good start. There is a lot of bathroom humor but we don't want to go there yet. Lgreen 05:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a relevant and interesting section. However, we could do with some references to support it or it's our original research. Also is it really symbolism? I always take symbolism as a visual thing where part of an image refers to something other than what it shows. Malapropisms are symbolic of the mobsters lack of education - I understand that - but I still think that as they're a dialogue/writing conceit they belong outside of symbolism. Certainly a section detailing the ineptitude of the mobsters is not symbolic of anything. Some of the stuff to do with the Godfather and Goodfellas is also not really symbolism - the death's are but the cast links (which I admit to adding a lot of) are more of a genre link than any kind of symbolism.. --Opark 77 08:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, I think everything was just put in "symbolism" because its the biggest subcategory here. Much of it is relevant but cannot formally be defined as symbolism; probably should have their own categories. Lgreen 05:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor questions

[edit] Gap in Production

Hi. Does anyone knows about the troubles that led to production of the show being suspended in 2003 (Season 4 ends in 2002, but Season 5 premieres only in 2004...)? I remember something about the show almost being cancelled, and that the source of the problem was (allegedly) James Gandolfini (maybe something about his salary?). I was surprised to see that there's no mention to it in the main article, and that really catches the eye when you're reading the episode list: you see that odd gap in production and naturally turn to the main article for an explanation... but there's none. Regards, Redux 22:43, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Main article needs to be changed, recent ads on HBO indicate the Sopranos will be back March 2006.

Changed. Added March 2006 premiere (with 12 eps) in addition to the final 8 eps airing in January '07. Sfufan2005 21:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Crystal Meth and learning

In the section regarding season one it reads "Meadow and Hunter try to score Crystal Meth from Brendan and Chris in order to stay up late and study for their exams." Although I am not an expert I am quite sure that some students use Crystal Meth (Speed) for the sake of recalling memorized facts better during exams, and not to be able to stay up longer. Any opinions on this?

You are definetly not an expert. Meth will not improve your memeory. Trust me, I'm an addict. C-Meth will keep you awake for days, and the last think you will care about (in most cases) is an exam. Especially when you're dealing with someone who does not have a tollerance. They will tweak like mad, and enjoy it so much, they won't be able to ground themselves enough to study. Only a functioning addict could attempt to study for a test. —This unsigned comment was added by 63.173.114.137 (talk • contribs) .
I'm pretty sure they were just after amphetamine, not methamphetamine. a short term effect of amphetamine is that it increases your concentration, similar to ADHD medication. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.139.99.79 (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Christopher's poem

  • Hey I was wondering if anyone has seen that commercial on HBO with Christopher's poem. HBO has split the different sceens up from all episodes and made it into a poem. I was trying to show co-workers this but are unable to find it. Can someone please email it to me at nvallarelli@deltafudning.com if they know where to find this commercial, much thanks
The poem is now available on HBO.com if you're still interested. It's called Christopher's Def Poem. Sfufan2005 22:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)\
HBO has a podcast series called "Words of Wisdom" with poems like this by cast members of Six Feet Under and Curb Your Enthusiasm

[edit] sopranos v star trek

My contribution to wikipedia, when I get around to it, will be to generally update entires (sic) on brain science to reflect newer, ascendant theories incorporating non-linear dynamics and notions of embodiment. (in case you don't get it, I'm freakin smart a'ight?!) So, I feel at least potentially justified in asking why it is that the sopranos, which is probably the most ambitious, most subtle piece of drama ever to appear on TV in any country during my lifetime, receives such a tiny entry when compared to the ridiculous star trek. Bear in mind - I've been watching star trek since I was very young. I love it. But, it does not merit extensive coverage; it makes only very rudimentary points about, well, anything interesting before it retreats into simple wish fulfilment and fantasy.

Might it be a worry that wikipedia in general somehow makes a correlative retreat?

I'd be keen to open a discussion about that, and mechanism to remedy the problem.

C dot M dot REVELEY ===?AT?=== SUSSEX dot AC dot UK

The amount of mention that each topic merits on WP is a matter of opinion, and WP does not make it its policy to opine on such things. Rather, advocates of either property should simply contribute material that they feel is appropriate. If you feel The Sopranos is missing info that you could add to it, then do so. It is a non-sequitur, however, to argue that the validity of its content should be judged solely by comparing it to Star Trek. Like it or not, Trek has been a cultural phenonmenon for almost 40 years, and because its canonical output alone includes six television series and ten feature films, it is natural that it will have more extensive coverage than a TV show that's only been on for several years. Since it probably has more worlwide fans of several generations, it is understandable that more Wikipedians will have an interest in contributing to its articles, which is what determines their extent. Not one individual's opinions of which is more "ambitious" or "subtle" or marked by "wish fulfiment" (unless there's a WP policy that I've missed. :-))Nightscream 03:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


Because the internet is full of nerds. --(sorry dont know howto sign name)

[edit] Trivia- Whitecaps

Just to make things clear: John Patterson directed the fourth season finale episode "Whitecaps" so whoever continues to change that is wrong. Sfufan2005 20:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jackie Jr

Currently says "Associate in Ralphie's crew, Christopher's friend and partner in crime" for Jackie Jr. Here's Jackie Jr's story arc: Jackie wants to be in mafia, Jackie dates Meadow, Tony doesn't want Jackie in Mafia, Jackie breaks up with mafia, Jackie leads poker-game heist, Jackie is wacked. Look at the Jackie Aprile, Jr. wikipedia entry. He's not an accoiciate with Ralph, Ralph is merely giving him bad ideas (and that's just Ralph pretending to be a father). I definately wouldn't call him Chris' "friend and partner in crime." How about something along the lines of, "Son of former boss, had brief relationship with Meadow Soprano, desperate to make name for himself in the mafia." - Tim 06:54, Jan. 18, 2006

He actually in one episode he acts as a driver for chris in a robber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Still doesn't make him "friend and partner in crime." Chris used him to drive once. It's also not the most important thing about the Jackie Jr. character. The most important thing about him is 1. his relationship with Meadow and 2. his desire to follow in his father's footsteps. Tim 02:35, March 18, 2006
There's another scene from the pizza joint, where Chris and Jackie discuss business and Chris tells Jackie that Tony has no business telling him how to make a living. As far as being in Ralph's crew, you do see Jackie and Dino kick up to Ralphie and they ask him to watch their backs, so I would consider them associates. --M vopni 16:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Please continure discussion on Jackie Aprile, Jr.--Opark 77 08:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The definative Jackie Jnr.: Christopher is encouraging Jackie Jnr. into crime because he can make money from him and he would like to be the one that gives the orders for a change, in the early seasons Chris is subordinate to the rest of Tony's crew.

In one of Jackie Jnr.'s first appearence he is representing Aprile family interests along side Richie in a meeting with Tony. From this, Richie at least seems happy to allow Jackie to follow him and his father into the business. Jackie even attends a meeting between Richie and Junior where they are openly discussing killing Tony.

It is difficult to say whether Ralph actively encourages Jackie into the life or just failed to discourage him. What is certain is that Ralph's stories of Tony and Jackie Snr.'s youths and Mafia careers made Jackie even more determined to emulate his father. Indeed, it is Ralph's story about how Jackie Snr. and Tony first rose to prominence in the 'family' (by holding up a game that was paying a made man) that gave Jackie the idea to rob the game that eventually cost him his life. He held the game up to gain more respect, not to 'break up with the Mafia' as previoulsy stated. The only member of the 'family' that actively tries to keep Jackie Jnr. away from crime was Tony. Tony had promised Jackie Snr. that he would keep Jackie Jnr. out of the life. Tony takes this very seriously and Jackie's decline makes him worry about A.J.'s future.

The final point is Jackie's death. The article states that Tony told Ralph to give Jackie a pass and it was Ralph's decision to kill Jackie. Watch that scene again. You have to read between the lines. Tony is telling Ralph in no uncertain terms that Jackie Jnr. must die and he holds Ralph personally responible for it as Ralph, being Jackie's mother's boyfriend, was a poor role model. With The Sopranos, as with most Mafia fiction, it is what is not said or the way something is said rather than the actual words that are important. Watch the scene again, I promise you'll see what I mean. Godforce 19:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thiis is true and I keep editing it to reflect as much. There is even commentary on the DVD with David Chase saying that this is the intention of Tony so in his mind he can say he had nothing to do with the murder of Jackie Jnr. Ralphie also would not like to have the boy killed because of his association with Rosalie Aprille. This is why Ralphie insists on giving Jackie a pass because he wants Tony to explicitly order it, making it Tony's responsibility. Tony instead says it's fine that Jackie should be given a pass but, "that it be done in a timey fashion to avoid confusion, chain of command is very important in our thing", it's obvious that Tony is insinuating that it's impossible to allow someone a pass for busting up a Ralphie's card game, killing a dealer and wounding a made guy. Tony also says that Ralphie schooled the kid as much as possible and it's not his fault when he is really saying that he did the opposite and it's Ralph's fault for giving Jackie a firearm and other notable incidents, like taking Jackie along to one of his collections. Stop reverting the changes, you are incorrect in your assumptions and it's clear you don't understand the show. Furthermore Barbara and Janice do not have the last names of Soprano. Janice is known as Pervati, Janice and then Janice Baccalieri. Barbara is married to a man named Steve and presumably has his name. Capablemachine

Thanks for backing me up on the Jackie Jnr thing but Janice does introduce herself as Janice Soprano a few times in season 2. At the 'garbage man's ball' for example, before Tony has a panic attack.82.47.197.222 21:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies for the Accidental Blanking

Every time I try to fix one minor bit of wording, it seems the bottom half of the page gets blanked, and now even trying to restore prior versions isn't working. This is an aspect of WP that I admit I'm kinda in the dark about, so I'm sorry about that. If anyone else knows how to fix this, please go ahead and do so; I think I'll stay away from this article for now. :-( Nightscream 21:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dimeo crime family

How large is the dimeo crime family.

They don't exactly say. Do you mean just made men or including associates? Considering that there are 5 crews in the family and each crew has around 5-8 made guys in it, I say the total number is probably in the 30's plus another 40 associates.
To compare, Tony says in Season 6 that Phil has 200 soldiers in his family and it is one reason why he doesn't want to start a war. This would imply that NJ has far less members and would lose the battle on strength in numbers. --M vopni 19:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The DiMeo family actually has six crews (Tony Soprano, Altieri, Barese, Aprile, Curto and Junior Soprano) each having 10-15 soldiers and probably a similar number of associates. Im guessing the crew sizes vary, the Barese is crew is supposedly the biggest with around 20-30 made members and associates. Probably toal DiMeo membership: 50-70 made members, around 120 including associates

I disagree with some of this. The show gives us an in depth look into two crews in the family - Tony's old crew and the Aprile crew - and a close look at Junior's crew. In Tony's crew the most made guys at a time was 7 - Pussy, Sil, Tony, Paulie, Chris, GiGi and Patsy. In the Aprile crew GiGi, Ralphie, Vito and Gene made 4 at a time. Junior's crew once contained Junior, Mikey, Chucky, Beppy, Murf, Bobby, Bobby Sr., GiGi, Patsy and Philly - 10 guys. I think 60 made guys is an absolute maximum in the shows timeline and today with so many killed and so few new made men it's probably dwindled to around 40. The number of active associates in a crew is probably at it's highest right now - Chris' crew has Benny, Little Paulie, Murmur, Bissel, Cary DiBartolo, Perry, Corky Caporale and possibly Frankie Cortese just 8 associates. I think 100 guys is a maximum if we're feeling optimistic back in the family's early days. I'd guesstimate somewhere closer to 2-3 made guys per crew and half a dozen associates, around 50 total family members in 2006. --Opark 77 19:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chris and Tony

Tony styles himself as a father figure towards Chris. However Tony clearly is to young to be chris's father, what is their age difference?

  • Well, Christopher is Carmela's second-cousin and Tony thinks of him as a "nephew" since they were always close like a "father and son". If Tony was born in 1959, he would be 47 in 2006 and since we don't know Christopher's age I'll use Michael Imperioli's age (40) as an example. So Tony would be about 7 years older. Other examples are that TOny and Tony B. went up to Uncle Pat's farm when they were about 18 and Chris was around 11 or 12. Sfufan2005 02:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Christopher says that Tony was 19 and he was 11 in the tenth episode of the 5th season. So it's 8 years. The reason Tony styles himself as a fathger figure is, because he acted like one, after Christopher's father died. --JTrdi 13:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The Sopranos family tree --Opark 77 08:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boss of the family

Who is the boss of the family? Tony, Mr. Dimeo, or Junior?

  • The boss in name is Uncle Junior. Dominic DiMeo was charged with a life sentence in 1995 and therefore loses his privledges as mob boss. Jackie Aprile was acting boss until his death in '99. Tony nominated Junior who took the role. However after the attempt on Tony's life (end of Season 1), Tony took away everything from Junior except his title. So Tony technically is considered the "street boss". Sfufan2005 02:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Two make their relationship believable, they should have made their ages father apart, even if the actors ages are closer.

How much farther apart do you want them to be? Junior is 75 and Tony is 47. I say around 30 years is enough --M vopni 19:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
For more information see DiMeo Crime Family --Opark 77 08:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] finance

Who owns the Bada Bing? Tony or Silvio? Most mobsters operate legitament bussiness or go through the motions of holding a regular job. They sometimes do this to advance money laundering. They also do this to give themselves a err of respectability. Whats Jobs/ bussiness' do the sopranos use as cover?

Silvio and his wife own the Bada Bing. Tony owns a percentage of Barone Sanitation, The Casino in Kearny (joint between NY & NJ), Satriale's Meat Market and the Stugots I & II. Sfufan2005 17:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The Bada Bing is run by Silvio but he kicks upstairs to Tony as is the mob structure. It's never made clear how much of the club belongs to who only that money goes up to Tony.

[edit] Uncle Juniors history

Besides his on going arrest has uncle junior or toneys father spent long periods in prison?

[edit] Tony's history

Who was the first person Tony ever killed?

[edit] Tony's succesor

If Tony dies from juniors shooting him (which is unlikely) who would likely take over as boss?

I think Paulie would, since he is the Underboss and Junior is incompetent. Sfufan2005 17:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
This encyclopedia is not the best place for speculative discussion try HBO.com, imdb.com or televisionwithoutpity.com - all have active Sopranos message boards. --Opark 77 08:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 6; Episode 2: Chris an "informant"?

I take issue with the summary points for Epidsode 2 from Season 6 where it states that Christopher "is" an informant for the FBI. Just because there was one scene where he discussed Tony's condition in the Deli it doesn't verify that Chris is indeed a sell-out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.208.60 (talk • contribs)

Hi. Are you referring to this?
Eugene Pontecorvo, a Soprano family soldier who became a made man in the same ceremony as Christopher, is revealed to be an FBI informant
That is saying that Pontecorvo is an informant, not Christopher... and that's correct information, right? I couldn't find anything else on the page about Chris being an informant. If it is actually there, please fix it, or let me know which passage you're referring to so I can. Thanks. --W.marsh 00:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Symbolisom in the dreams

I've herd from many people, no one close with the show, but i've herd that there's a very deep meaning in the scenes when Tony is dreaming, and looking out the windows. Something about the lights on the horizon symbolizing the "choice" between hevan and hell, and half the city being pitch black, and the other half being lit. I'm unsure of what this all means, but i'm intrested in to see what the others users think.

~~gregmontalbano

[edit] Three O'Clock

Do we have confirmation from anyone that Tony actually woke up from his coma at exactly 3:00? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.9.238 (talk • contribs)

[edit] The Hotel is purgatory?

I thought the hotel in Join the Club and Mayham was limbo not purgatory.

[edit] Vito's murder

I don't know if it's worth mentioning or not, partly because it cannot be confirmed, but the entry does include a section on the show's momentary adaptations of murder's portrayed in classic gangster films. I believe Vito's murder was a reference to "Casino," in which Joe Pesci, playing the role of "Nicky Santoro" (who portrayed notorious gangster, Tony Spiloltro), meets the same fate; he's beaten death in the presence of actor John Vincent, playing Santoro's former right hand man. Anyone think that's worth mentioning?

Yeah I think that's worth an entry, although these should all really be referenced with someone else noticing the connection otherwise it's original research. The actor is Frank Vincent (not John). Please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~) --Opark 77 07:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The simpsons parody

Which episode was the parody of the sopranos' opening sequence on?


so anyone know?

[edit] Sopranos Video Game Info

  • I added a lot of info for the upcoming game on the main page. lets keep the chat here for the game my friends. - Zarbon
  • Somebody should update the Video Game section, or create an entire new page. The Video game has been reviewed by IGN, EGM, and many others, and is considered very poor.

[edit] External links - spam?

Anyone have any strong feelings about keeping the external links to the French, German and Spanish fansites? What purpose does this serve on the English Wikipedia? -- Mwanner | Talk 20:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should we talk about it's HIGH GRAPHIC CONTENT?

I'm going to either way, this show is EXTREMELY VIOLENT

Please sign your posts on talk pages using 4 tildes (~). We could mention the graphic nature of the show if we have a reference from a reputable source that talks about it. --Opark 77 08:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually, aside from a little blood, I would not say that there is HIGH GRAPHIC CONTENT. Agree that there is some...and a lot of swearing. Lgreen 21:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-structuring

Chocolateboy recently reorganised the page so that the lists of episodes, characters and the timeline are nearer to the bottom, summarising the edit as placing prose before lists. I disagree with this structure. I can understand that prose sections generally make better reading than lists on an encyclopedia. However, the page should be structured to give information on the show in a sensible order to a reader who knows very little about it. The videogame adaptations, trivia, lists of deaths, symbolic elements, music and other sections are less important to the show than it's episodes, characters and storyline in my opinion.

I also had a look at other TV articles on wikipedia Arrested Development has the episodes, characters and plot foremost. Lost (TV Series) has characters as the 4th section and season synopses fifth. having looked at around 20 TV show pages it seems that this order is most common but I expect counterexamples are out there. I understand that this is debatable and would like to invite anyone interested in the article to share their opinion on the structure of the page. --Opark 77 23:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Any page that has chunks of reference material before (or interspersed with) prose is broken. It's not the Wikipedia way. Arrested Development isn't (currently) broken. Lost (currently) is. [4] [5] I won't sweat it if there's a consensus on this article to do things differently, but there's a clear consensus on Wikipedia to "prose" first and "ref" (i.e. answer questions) later.
When was the last time you saw someone take questions, or plug their research, at the beginning (or middle) of a lecture?
How often does that happen in the Encyclopædia Britannica or h2g2 or The Lancet or Nature?
Try skipping through 21 random articles. How many of them have their See also, References, Bibliography, Discography, or External links sections scattered willy-nilly about the article, rather than placed, in accordance with the de facto Wikipedia convention, at the end?
chocolateboy 21:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your points about standardised structuring on wikipedia. I completely agree that the article is very broken and needs a lot of fixing. I've added a suggestion to restructure according to the wikiproject television guidelines as well as adding prose to sections that are currently in list format. I'd like to point out that the see also, references and external links were at the bottom of the article in accordance with convention long before your restructuring and not scattered throughout it. Plot and characters are the meat and potatoes of TV drama and that's why I believe they should come first, ahead of the symbolism section which is full of speculation currently. --Opark 77 09:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Funerals?

It seems to me that Funerals are a key device used in this series. What do you all think of adding in a "Funerals" section to this page and/or a "Funerals" section to each episode. I know there is a "deceased" section for each episode, but sometimes the funeral shows someone who passed away outside of the direct events. Lgreen 18:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm unsure if it needs a section in the episode guides. Have you found any external sources that discuss funerals on the show? --Opark 77 21:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tommy Di Palma

The elderly man Tommy who takes care of (and loses) Junior in Where's Johnny? is clearly not Tommy Di Palma. His last name is never mentioned. Back in early season 1, when Jackie is dying of cancer, Mikey Palmice says that Tommy Di Palma also has cancer, but "way worse than you". Whoever this Di Palma guy is, if he had cancer worse than Jackie, he would certainly be dead in 2004, four years later.

--Ant1238

[edit] Hesh Rabkin

Back when the Family Tree was on HBO's Sopranos web site, it said that Hesh was Jackie's Consigliere. Anyone know anything about this?

--Ant1238

[edit] Jimmy Petrille

It is listed that Jimmy was Johnny Sack's Consigliere for his short tenure as free Boss. Anyone know why that is assumed? In All Due Respect, Neil Mink says that the whole "Petrille crew" was taken down, indicating that he's still the Capo of his crew. Also, at John's house, John tells Tony that Phil will likely want to become Consigliere, further hinting that Johnny did not yet choose one, and Jimmy was still only a Capo. Where did the Petrille Consigliere theory come from?

--Ant1238

[edit] Beppy Scerbo

His first name is listed as Giuseppe. Where did this come from?

[edit] uk season 6

when will season 6 begin in the uk? and what channel? thanks in advance

[edit] Broken article

This article contains a wealth of information and could be very useful. At the moment I think it lacks enough citations, several important sections are underdeveloped or absent and there is far too much original research and speculation. To compare it to the suggested sections in the wikiproject television guidelines:

  1. Articlename - present and correct
  2. Infobox - present and correct
  3. Introduction - The first sentence should explain the premise, genre, setting and significance of the show. Other options for the introduction include: What made the show unique; Years on the air - still going; Premiere date; Channel of first and current airing - HBO; Production companies - HBO; Principal characters; Influence; Place in popular culture; Major Awards; Spin-offs; Music or Theme; The introduction seems a bit long at the moment and some of the information might be better off elsewhere.
  4. Characters - lower down but present, should be altered to prose from list format
  5. Plot and Episode listing - There is no plot synopsis on the main page beyond the overview. I know that there are extensive episode guides and a timeline but the article would benefit from having a succint 1 or 2 paragraphs per season synopsis.
  6. Impact of show on society - this is mentioned in the introduction and perhaps the awards section should be included here
  7. Critical reviews - criticism and praise section
  8. Production notes - perhaps casting, pre-production and locations should be moved here from trivia
  9. External links - present and correct
  10. Categories

Sections not included in the guidleine but present in the article include:

  • Title sequence
  • Symbolism
  • Social commentary
  • Depiction of brands
  • Video games
  • Life imitating art
  • Trivia

Could we work on coming up with a guideline for structure to marry the current state of the article to something closer to featured TV articles like Arrested Development, Dawson's Creek and good articles like Lost?--Opark 77 09:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

In concert with my above question about restructuring, I think the trivia section is too long for the main page. There are several points that I think could be moved out of trivia. As I said above some of the sections are about production and would be suitable for production notes. Sections about individual characters are better placed on their character pages. Finally I think that the long section on deaths on the show might be better place on the List of deaths on The Sopranos article. Any thoughts?--Opark 77 09:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've acted on these suggestions since they were not met with any opposition. Should have just been bold I suppose.--Opark 77 08:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

This show has been unorganized for some time. I did some things to help:

  • Added "College Locations" trivia to Episode 05 Guide
  • Deleted the "PowerBob on EBay" trivia but am unable to add it to Episode 50 Guide because the link doesn't work for me. If anyone can do it, please add it.
    • During the fourth season it is revealed that Bobby Jr's AOL screen name is PowerBob386. After the airing of the episode, a real PowerBob386 AOL account was made and later sold on eBay.
Done--Opark 77 02:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions for organization:

  • Symbolism should be separated into another page (the longest information).
  • Some trivia facts should be removed such as the "Aprile Curse", "Christopher's Brush with Death" and "Sopranos movie".
  • This should be the structure of the page:
    • 01. Overview
    • 02. Title Sequence
    • 03. Cast and Characters
    • 04. Episodes (Link)
    • 05. Notable Plots and Timeline (Link)
    • 06. Symbolism (Link)
    • 07. Social Commentary
    • 08. Depiction of Brands
    • 09. Life Imitating Art
    • 10. Music
    • 11. Video Games
    • 12. Criticism and Praise
    • 13. Awards (Link)
    • 14. Trivia
    • 15. HBO Broadcasting History
    • 16. Broadcasting
    • 17. References
    • 18. See Also
    • 19. External Links

Note: The article size is 60KB and the maximum is 32KB.

SeptemberX1990 02:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The size is a guideline, but summary style should be used to try and cut down this articles length.
As to the suggested organization, this is an improvement on the current one but still broken in my opinion. Did you see my suggested organization and request for input a little higher up?
According to the television wikiproject guideline criticism and awards should be higher, appearances in other media should come lower. References, See also and External links should be last. Trivia should be directly above them (therefore broadcasting would move up).
Headers should not be overcapitalised for example where you have used "Title Sequence" the manual of style suggests "Title sequence" is more appropriate.
The article uses too many lists. In particular the cast section should be in prose.--Opark 77 02:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Godfather reference

In the first episode of season two ('Guy Walks Into a Psychiatrists Office...')Silvio does another Al Pacino impression. After the traditional "just when I though I was out", he does the scene where Michael's hysterical wife was asking him if he'd had the brother-in-law murdered ("Just this once, I'll allow you to ask me about the business"(sic.), etc.). He was just doing it at Pussy's request, Pussy just having returned after going on the lamb at the end of season one and it was pretty funny (especially the part where he does the wife). In the same scene, he also says "our true enemy is yet to reveal himself" and straight afterwards it cuts to Pussy for the briefest of seconds. I'm sure there's more Goodfellas/Godfather references that aren't mentioned but that's my favourite Silvio impression and I felt it deserved a mention. Oh, and in seaon one ('A Hit Is A Hit') one of the 'gangsta' rappers calls Chris 'Donnie Brasco'.Godforce 19:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

There is also another reference in one of tonys dreams were it is said in a restraunt "I dont want him to come out with just his d@&k in his hand." Then Tony searches behind a old style toilet for a gun which is not there (series 5). Reference to Michael corleone and Sonny corleone.Ryan Matthews 12 December.

[edit] GA Fail

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  • Lots of 'Citation needed tags'
  • Inline references are'nt formaatted properly, check {{cite web}}
  • remove or incoperate the trivia section into the body
  • External links in the middle of text
  • Short stubby paragraphs containing one or two sentences
  • Images lack fair use rationale

I have'nt even read the text, obvious fail. M3tal H3ad 01:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

We're getting there... Aaron Bowen 14:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Correction to Malapropisms Section of Sopranos Article

In regard to the statement: "...Dr. Melfi once remarks that she enjoyed the movie "Prince of Tides" and Tony shows up at his next appointment brandishing a gaudily wrapped bottle of "Tide", a detergent; both a hilarious misunderstanding and a product placement..."

Tony did not give Dr. Melfi the Prince of Tide gift basket in person. It was delivered with a card saying it was from the "Prince of Tide". It was clearly intended as a pun and. Dr. Melfi recognized it as such. I proposed the quoted statement be deleted.Albany1976 00:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Albany1976

[edit] Question

This article contains a lot of trivia does most of it belong in an encyclopedia? Aaron Bowen 09:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say no. Aaron Bowen 08:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
No.--Opark 77 08:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd hate to get into a big dispute over this, how should I go about deleting alot of it? Aaron Bowen 13:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Anybody? Aaron Bowen 13:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to reduce the trivia section itself as much as possible by moving info out into episode/character entries. For the sections that have been tagged as inappropriate for a long time you can just delete them; editors who wanted to keep them have had plenty of time to improve them. If you think something is inappropriate tag it as such, wait to see if it is fixed and then delete.--Opark 77 16:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Great work, I'll try to do that, as per WP:BOLD. Aaron Bowen 13:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I moved what was remaining here: Trivia For Trivia relating to individual episodes, see the episode guide and for character trivia see the character list.

The Soprano home at sunrise in Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood
The Soprano home at sunrise in Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood
  • The Sopranos is known for mentioning characters that don't appear until later seasons. In the first season, Christopher mentions his cousin's girlfriend, Amy, who appears in episode 20 in the second season and has sex with Christopher. Also, Tony's sisters, Janice and Barbara, are referenced in the first season before making appearances in the second. In the second and third seasons, numerous references to a gangster named Feech La Manna are made. Feech appears in multiple episodes during the fifth season.
  • The popularity of the show has spun off secondary enterprises, including a variety of merchandising. The most unusual of these is a location tour, where tourists take a bus trip throughout New Jersey visiting locations used in filming of the show.
Article looks better now, still needs work though. Aaron Bowen 13:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Groundbreaking?

In the lead it says the show's "groundbreaking view" this show is great and I love it but it's not groundbreaking. The show's creator openly admits to borrowing heavily from the Godfather and Goodfellas, so I don't consider it groundbreaking. The show reminds me so much of Goodfellas at times I wonder if Scorsese is directing it.

I run into the same problem here that I run into when discussing The Wire people always says The Wire is "so complex" it's a tremendous show but I've watched it once through on DVD rentals and never felt the need to rewind it or had trouble following it, hey it's not differential calculus. In both cases I think it amounts to fancruft and overhyping of what are already great shows and don't need them. Aaron Bowen 14:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)