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[edit] What's with the exclamation mark?

I've never seen the episode title written like that before. Would someone care to explain why it's listed as such? --Closedmouth 04:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh well, I moved it anyway. See the official website --Closedmouth 07:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverted another instance of exclamation mark. Official episode guide lists it as "The PTA Disbands" --Srx 10:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It is written with an exclamation mark on the case and dvd menus of the Season 6 DVD. And that it how it will stay. The whole thing is a bit like "Homer: Bad Man" which for a while was "Homer Badman". Gran2 15:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved the page omitting the exclamation mark. According to the official episode guide[1], there is none. Reginmund 23:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Gran2 appears to have moved this back with the exclamation point because the DVD box set uses an exclamation point. However, I don't think that this should be a valid enough factor in determining the title. The official website (which can be updated at any time) omits the exclamation point[2] and so does the official episode catalogue. I don't think that the DVD cover can be considered a reliable enough source for determining the name. I've seen them make loads of mistakes before. For example here[3] Erich von Stroheim is erroneously credited as "Eric von Stroheim" on the DVD cover of La Grande Illusion. I doubt that the season 6 DVD is any different, especially when compared to the official website and official Simpsons catalogue. Reginmund 14:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I haven't "appeared" to do anything, I "have" moved it. Anyway, its not just the DVD box, its the DVD booklet and all of the menus as well. The fact is, the DVD is the latest product to do with season 6, and if it uses the title with a !, then that's the title. A DVD is lot more reliable than a website. The actual Simpsons official website is pretty rubbish, I mean the episode guides arn't even co-ordinated, some list guest stars and others (even though the episode does have them) don't. But if you still don't think the entire DVD is a reliable source, then the only way you can actually solve the problem, is to email Fox themselves. Gran2 14:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
You need not get defensive about my minced Essex English. Please be civil. I am only curious as to find a solution to this dilemna. I personally think that the web site is quite organised and since it can be updated any time, it is probably the most trustworthy. The printing press, however can make mistakes. As I already showed you with La Grande Illusion. If a web site makes a mistake it can be updated any time. Not to mention that The Simpsons' official catalogue omits the exclamation point so that is two sources against one. However, seeing as how angry you can get if anyone dares question your Divine Right, I'm going to make a move request to see what others have to think about this. Reginmund 22:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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Y Done Neil ム 09:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The PTA Disbands! → The PTA Disbands — The offical web site[4] (which can be updated at any time) omits the apostrophe. So does the official Simpsons catalogue. However, Gran2 took the name with the apostrophe from the DVD box set (which uses an apostrophe), although I don't think that DVDs are as a reliable source. I have seen several mistakes on DVDs before. For example, the DVD release of La Grande Illusion spells Erich von Stroheim's name without the "h" in "Erich"[5] (which is incorrect). That is two sources against one less than reliable source. —Reginmund 22:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support - As nominator. Reginmund 22:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Both the DVD commentary and Copyright Database call spell it with a !, and they are the two where we KNOW the writers had a say in it. The website is known for its mistakes (it used to have the plots for G.I. D'oh and Ice Cream of Margie mixed up) and the books also have mistakes. I think we should leave it as it is because the DVDs are the most recently released official material and if they call it "The PTA Disbands!" then so should we. -- Scorpion0422 23:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

*Support - Most of the ghits I pulled up use The PTA Disbands. Unless you can provide a link, proving that that name is wrong, I support this move. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

    • Go here, select "Search this catalogue", enter "PA0000741679" into the search thing and select the "Registration Number" option and you will find that the official title registered with the copyright database is "The Simpsons : no. 2F19, The PTA disbands! / directed by Swinton O. Scott 3rd". -- Scorpion0422 23:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean to sound fastidious, but that looks even more inaccurate. The "D" in "Disbands" should be capitalised, shouldn't it? Reginmund 23:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah If anything, let's move it to "The PTA disbands!" --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if you enter PAu001918165, you'll see that the teleplay is registered under "The PTA disbands". Zagalejo^^^ 00:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Support I'm not crazy about using that database as the source for official names. Life on the Fast Lane is listed under its working title, "Bjorn to be wild". SNPP.com uses "The PTA Disbands," sans exclamation point, and they claim that they got the titles for seasons 5-7 from Bill Oakley himself. [6]. Zagalejo^^^ 00:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I think the DVDs using title has to count for something though. SNPP is not an official source, even if they do claim to have gotten it from Oakley. -- Scorpion0422 01:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
      • I understand. It's just that for many years, Simpsons fans wrote the title without the eclamation point, largely influenced by SNPP, but also the Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family, an official publication. When two versions of the name have a reasonable claim to being the "official" one, we should stick with the most common version of the name. Zagalejo^^^ 01:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • However, thesimpsons.com is an official source and they omit the exclamation point. I just don't trust the DVDs as much as I do the web sites because the site can be updated at any time. The DVDs can be riddled with factual errors on occasion as pointed out with La Grande Illusion. And keep in mind that the official catalogue of The Simpsons episodes omits the exclamation point also. Reginmund 01:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • The DVDs have the direct involvement of the production staff and the website is maintained by some random webmaster who updates it once a month. TheSimpsons.com is well-known among fans for being incorrect - for a long time they had the incorrect title for several episodes and have even mixed some up. An "official" website is not the mouthpiece for the production staff, it is just something made by some guy who was hired by Fox. -- Scorpion0422 01:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Could you cite this analysis please? Reginmund 01:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • This looks more like a technicality than a mistake. On the overhead, season nineteen hasn't been listed yet and You Kent Always Say What You Want is Listed on season eighteen anyway. I doubt the episode will be on nineteen when the site is updated, especially when the link to season nineteen will be added. Reginmund 00:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Why dose this article redirect from Malk?

I was just trying to find some random page on Wikipedia so I typed in the word "malk" it had a link to Malk and it directed me to this page. I was just a little curious as to why? --N8lewis 04:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Bart is seen drinking from a carton of malk rather than milk at one point during the episode, this could also be included in the trivia section... Enelson 03:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uter's capture scene

Alright, so I've never seen "The Wild Geese," so I don't know if it makes more sense. But I was reading the cultural references section and it says that Uter's capture scene "is based on the death of Rafer Janders, in the 1978 film The Wild Geese." Couldn't this also be a reference to "Red Dawn?"