Talk:The Muppet Show
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[edit] Initial problems with credits, focus of article
Barkingdoc. Please italicize the names of all movies and television shows. I just stuck 'em all in but got caught in an edit conflict and don't feel like doing it again right now.
Also, I really don't think we need the whole long credits list. For one thing, it surely is a snapshot of one crew at one time and doesn't include everybody who worked for Henson Associates over the past 40 years (and, I hasten to say, shouldn't, even if you have such a list). Ortolan88
For what it is worth, that list was an edited list for The Muppet Show, and it was a fairly consistant team. But I don't think it is needed.
This article discusses the Muppets, the Muppet Show, and Henson Associates projects pretty indiscriminately. Maybe there should be some refactoring by one of the fans. Ortolan88 03:04 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
I do agree that details that are solely about other shows don't belong here, but I think that context is an important part of the article. I certainly think that history and immediate after effects are vital aspects, even if some of that context also gets repeated in other articles. The projects included on this page (right now) are only ones which are specifically credited as featuring "Jim Henson's Muppets" which I consider to be directly decended from The Muppet Show.BarkingDoc
- I agree that it all goes together, but the article title is off. The article isn't just about the Muppet Show. There's already an article called Muppet and one called Jim Henson, not to mention Sesame Street. As far as I can recall, the first Muppets were seen on Washington, DC tv, then for many years on numerous national tv shows, including Ed Sullivan, then on Sesame Street, then the Muppet Show and all the rest. I think our readers might have trouble working out all the history from the articles we have, divided up the way they are, which is why I am encouraging you, a well-informed writer, to make it clearer to them.
- I don't know the history as well as you do, but I'm guessing you'll be jealous to learn I once went on a tour of the Henson Associates offices in NYC when no one was there, saw all sorts of extremely neat stuff (and didn't touch a thing, but got a Kermit alarm clock). My friend, a lawyer, represented Henson before he sold out to Walt Disney. She had keys, and took us there one Sunday afternoon. Ortolan88 00:25 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC) PS- maybe my saying up above that "nobody cares" about the credit list was a little hard, but it isn't right to edit my words on a talk page. Ortolan88
First of all, I absolutely did not intend to edit your words, and I am sorry that happened--- it was an accident caused by my partially selecting the text, and I will be certain I do not make the same mistake again. I see what you are saying about the history, and I will definetly look into trying to clarify anything that might cause confusion between articles.
I am a little jealous that you got to see the NYC offices, though I met Jim a couple of times at puppetry conventions and have gotten to tour the production sets on a few projects. I would disagree with the characterization that Henson "sold out" to Disney (the company did sell Disney distribution rights, but not any creative rights.) But that is a discussion for another time and place. Thanks for your feedback. BarkingDoc��
- I'm certainly jealous that you met him, and as a puppeteer! I would have met him too, through my friend, but he died so suddenly. She was very fond of him, besides being his lawyer, and she felt he was very saddened and overwhelmed by the Disney experience. I'd be glad to discuss any ideas you have for rearranging the articles, but it definitely seems you are the one to do it. Ortolan88
[edit] Impact of Muppet Show
How come the muppet show was / is such a big deal in media history. Everyone remembers it, everyone speaks of it, although it's already so many years ago. Maybe someone can explain the historical background of the Muppet Show - that makes it easier for youngsters like me to understand the phenomenon. Thanks, --Abdull 10:27, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I think the answer is the same as for the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. The show(s) appealed not only to all youth, but to adults also. Very few shows do so... until the youth reach a more mature age. On the Muppet Show, obviously the muppets are an attraction for youth, and looking at the list of guest stars, a pattern of diverse celebrities appealing to a wide adult audience are found. Plus the interaction between the muppets and the guest stars took on a more adult (yet light hearted) angle, unlike the interactions on Sesame Street (which was specifically intended to entertain youth ).
- …Guy M… (soapbox) June 29, 2005 23:00 (UTC)
[edit] Picture of Orson Welles
The picture of Orson Welles and Kermit is supposed to be "Orson Welles on The Muppet Show", but according to list of guests besides the picture as well as the List of episodes of The Muppet Show he was never a guest on the muppet show. I suppose the picture is either from the The Muppet Movie where Orson Welles had a role or from The Orson Welles Show where the Muppets appeared reportedly.
That's not all, man. It would seem the Spike Milligan episode is missing from the list as well.
Radical AdZ
[edit] DVD Edits
I heard there were many cuts on the season one DVD because they couldn't clear the rights to some of the songs. One example includes the big finale of the Vincent Price episode singing 'You Got A Friend'. Should this be mentioned? Jpblo
This would be very good information. But it would have to be confirmed before it was posted on Wikipedia. Val42 03:20, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I can confirm that the song in question is absent, but I can only speculate as to why. - Pulpculture 03:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Put in as many things that are missing as you can confirm. Don't speculate as to why. Val42 03:55, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
It's odd, because the Vincent Price's You've Got a Friend number is intact in the HMV release of The Best of the Muppet Show collection. I'll try and get some information about this release to be added to the page. Annie D 06:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
A lot of people believe it was a case of Disney just Not Trying Hard enough, considering HMV could manage the tremendous feat of not cutting things out. (in one conversation "This is a company that regularly rewrites copyright laws to suit their whims") Also, the sequence at the end of the pitch real where Kermit says "What the hell was that?" was censored out - some use the spin that it was also due to "copyright issues" with the logo, despite the logo used was a parody. I've been waiting a very long time for a complete version of the Season 1 set, since for some crazy reason I don't feel like plucking down $25+ on something extremely non-comprehensive. If/when a real set is released would be important information to the article. -- 02:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.230.59 (talk)
[edit] Janitor's name
Baron Von Loopy is a joke right?
I thought the janitors name was Bo-re-gard the Jan-i-door.
[edit] French spinoff
There has also been a short-lived French spinoff called "Muppets TV" in 2006, with French guests. Hektor 15:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- What do you mean short-lived? Was it cancelled already? —scarecroe 16:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Muppet Show 2.jpg
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[edit] Name of Pilot
Is it verified that the name of the pilot episode is "Sex and Violence!" - That seems very unlikely given the nature of the Muppets and the time period the pilot was released. I have heard, but cannot verify, that the title was actually "SAX and Violence!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.15.115.165 (talk) 19:54, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
- Sax and Violence is the name of a sketch from the first series. David French 02:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's definitely Sex and Violence, which was right in tune with Jim Henson's off-center humor. —scarecroe 20:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Kermit on Sesame Street
Kermit the Frog was *not* a Guest Star on Sesame Street, he was a regular character. I've amended the article as such. David French 02:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pigs in space
Pigs in space should have its own page. Goddamn it, this injustice will not stand. Pigs in space was a mainstay of the Muppet Show and is a intrical part of American popular culture and folk story telling. Create a seperate page and then show it to me so I can grant approval...The End. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.143.96 (talk) 03:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- While "Pigs in Space" was very entertaining, I don't think that there would be enough material for its own page. But I'd like someone to prove me wrong by coming up with enough material. — Val42 21:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Muppet Wiki has separate articles on all the recurring Muppet Show sketches such as Pigs in Space. The "Pigs/Space" page explains what the sketch was about, and then lists all the episodes that the sketch appeared in with a basic plot outline. David French (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Date of First Broadcast.
This article says that Sep. 27 is the date of the first broadcast. The Sep. 20th 1976 New York Times TV listings show the show premiering on Sep. 20th 1976 at 7:30 PM on Channel 2. And Channel 2 has a large ad on Sep. 20th saying that the Muppet Show is premiering that night with Rita Moreno as guest star. Nightkey (talk) 02:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Since the show was an English production, the airdates should really reflect either the UK or US only, if not both. David French (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Season 3 on DVD
The third season is coming to DVD in May [1] - WAAHOO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newbie27 (talk • contribs) 08:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
