Talk:The Ed Sullivan Show

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The lack of citations on this page is pitiful. Plenty of outlandish claims about rumours of elvis wearing a "device" of some sort, with no citation mentioned to back it up. Is this reference really needed? And if so, shouldn't it be sourced? --66.150.98.32 01:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The list shows Nat King Cole as appearing on the show in 1949, when the wikipedia page on Cole says he wasn't on until 1955.

[edit] The Doors

"Jim Morrison, the band's lead singer, agreed but changed his mind after a quick band meeting and sang the orignal line instead with notice to the show's producers."

Shouldn't this be WITHOUT notice, or does this mean Morrison looked at the show's producers while singing the line? NjtoTX 12:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That is one GREAT picture

Kudos to JillandJack. It captures the absolute essence of Ed Sullivan's television persona. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The line "Although Elvis' appearances are considered the most famous rock and roll performances on Ed Sullivan" seems kind of biased doesn't it? What about the Beatles' famous performance that was at least equally influential on rock and roll (if not more), but hey, I could be a little biased too. Nonetheless, any suggestions?

• We should see if we can find a source that says this... however, IMHO the statement, which I didn't write, is true enough. To the best of my recollection the Elvis appearance had more impact than the Beatles because it was first. Nothing quite like it had ever been on television before. The Beatles' appearance was sort of like the second Apollo moon landing. In one way, it was just as big a deal, maybe bigger. But in another way, well, people watched it because they thought it would be sort of like the Elvis appearance again. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Here are a couple of sources:

1) Beatles' 'Ed Sullivan' appearance rated rock's top TV moment

  http://archives.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/25/tv.rocks.ap/

2) On Sunday, February 9, millions of North Americans waited in front of small black and white television sets in anticipation of seeing this new phenomenon from Britain. The audience for that show alone is estimated to be over 70 million people.

http://webhome.idirect.com/~faab/AbbeyRoad/sullivan.htm

3)"No televised musical performance ever packed more of an impact than the Beatles’ first time on The Ed Sullivan Show, and it seems unlikely another ever will." -- Colin Jacobson

http://dvdmg.com/edsullivanpresentsthebeatles.shtml

• Fantastic! I stand corrected. I'd say the first and third deserve to go into the article, not merely as marking the Beatles' as being bigger than Elvis, but as testimony to the importance of the Ed Sullivan show. Do you want to do the honors? Dpbsmith (talk) 18:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Beatles' miscellanea

Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wizard of Oz?

Can someone tell me when it was a ritual for families to gather to watch network broadcasts of The Wizard of Oz? I've never heard that before. -- Mwalcoff 02:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:SullivanPresleyHoundDogOct1956.jpg

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[edit] Ban List?

There is a long list of performers who were banned from the show. Anyone up to the challenge of listing who and why?

From the Bo_Diddley article, Carreer section"

On November 20, 1955, he was the first African-American to appear on The Ed Sullivan Show, only to infuriate him. ("I did two songs and he got mad," Bo Diddley later recalled. "Ed Sullivan said that I was one of the first niggers to ever double-cross him. Said that I wouldn't last six months.") Bo Diddley was asked to sing Tennessee Ernie Ford's hit "Sixteen Tons". But when he appeared on stage, he sang his #1 R&B hit "Bo Diddley." He was banned from further appearances. The Doors and comedian Jackie Mason would later join Bo Diddley on the list of performers banned from The Ed Sullivan Show.

Sorry for the uncut quote, but I felt it was relevant. --Yue.san 09:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It may be relevant, but you need to cite the source. Just taking it from another Wikipedia article isn't sufficient, especially if that article doesn't cite a source, either. I can find nothing to support the claim that Diddley was "banned" so I have added a citation needed tag. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Bo Diddley was by no means the first African American on Sullivan's show. It is highly unlikely that Sullivan used the word "nigger", although Diddley may have been quoted with that version of what happened. Not asking someone back is not, in my opinion, the same as "banning" them. Check the Bo Diddley article for references on previous appearances by blacks in case I don't get to it. In the meatime I'm going to delete those sentences since they are obviously incorrect. Steve Pastor (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] first African American on the Sullivan Show?

This is from the Discussion page, not in the article.

Not by a long shot. Count Basie was on the 8/29/1948 show. [1] Steve Pastor (talk) 18:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ever hear of Pearl Bailey? [2] September 25, 1955 Steve Pastor (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Louis Armstrong, Lena Horne, Cab Calloway, Eartha Kitt, there's quite a list of blacks who were on before Bo. Steve Pastor (talk) 18:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)