Talk:Thai royal and noble titles

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Do the titles Khun, Luang, Phra, Phraya, Chao Phraya, and Somdet Chao Phraya fit into this article as well? andy 12:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not sure. Perhaps a seperate page as e.g. Feudal titles? I'd certainly need to add more about the titles of the wives of the lesser royalties (namely, "mom")--Jakris 13:19, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is a very helpful article, although it needs some editing of its English, and there are far too many headings in bold. I will try to edit it when I have time. A question: How does the title Chao Phraya relate to the name of the river which runs through Bangkok? Adam 02:30, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. An interesting question -- unfortunately, I don't know the answer. As far as I know, the name was used at least since Ayutthaya period. It looks like it is the same word as the noble title, and I presume it might have come from that. It is only my presumption though.

When you do the editing, please be careful with the headers as they also act as reference points (probably need <span>ning) to the pretty extensive internal (as well as external) linking.

--Jakris 01:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How does the title Chao Phraya relate to the name of the river which runs through Bangkok?

  • Well, there is no relation between those two. It just happens to have the same name.

Well, I'm sorry but I don't believe that. I believe Chao Phraya means "Royal Prince" or something like that, so the river must either be named in honour of a particular royal prince, or named to convey the sense that it is the "royal prince of rivers" or something similar. Adam 02:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Chao Phraya is a title generally given the highest-rank nobles (not to royal family) and certainly does not mean or imply to "Royal Prince". There is no historic evident regarding the origin of Chao Phraya river.

So what is the literal translation of the name Chao Phraya? Adam 06:21, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

There are a lot of incorrect information in Thai royal title pages. For example,

  • in Phra Ong Chao section, Children of a Chao Fa and a princess (Chao Fa, Phra Ong Chao, or Mom Chao Ying) will have a title of Phra Worawong Ther Phra Ong Chao, NOT Phra Chao Boromawong Ther Phra Ong Chao.
  • Sometimes, the king gives the title Phra Chao Worawong Ther Phra Ong Chao, instead of just Phra Worawong Ther
  • The queen and royal consorts are quite messy -- need a lot of edit.


Unfortunately, there is problem about Chao Fa too. Chao Fa of first rank, who called toon kramom, isn'nt the highest rank of Chao Fa.

         1. The Highest is Chao Fa who elevated to be crown prince (HRH Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn)
         2. the second highest is Chao Fa who elevated specially (HRH Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhon).
         3. Chao Fa who given feudal, or Song Krom, Depending on their rank.
              3.1 Somdej Kromphraya + honorific name
              3.2 Kromphaya + honorific name
              3.3 Kromphra + honorific name
              3.4 Kromluang + honorific name
              3.5 Kromkhun + honorific name
              3.6 Krommhun + honorific name
         4. Chao Fa off first class who have no given feudal.
         5. Chao Fa off second rank who have no given feudal.

Pudtipong Nawasornyuttana 07:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Serene Highness

I have seen many press articles where the title is anglacised to serene highness princess X (where I assume they are not high enough to be a royal highness). Where would this fit in the scheme of things as no mention is made in the article?

HSH give to royalties in Mom Chao rank. HH for Mom Ratchawong.--Pudtipong Nawasornyuttana 02:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The many sons of the Crown Prince

I don't know much about this subject, but looking at http://www.soravij.com/rama9.html it seems that the current Crown Prince has four HSH/"Mom Chao" sons that are not mentioned in this article. His last son (Teepangkara Rasmichoti, b. 2005) is the child of the Royal Consort and is HRH.

Wardbeattie 22:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)