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Welcome!

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FLAMINGSPINACH OLD FRIEND I DO NOT SUPPORT THE PROPAGATION OF THE HELLO TEMPLATE I FIND IT MORALLY OBJECTIONABLE! I MEAN PRETTY DUMB Tgies 11:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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Hello, Tgies/Archive 1, I'm 2008-06-12 12:14 ok — flamingspinach | (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

  • yes yes that's very nice tgies 10:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Greek Wikisource

I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Bias on articles that interest me

I'm interested to know to what experience you are referring here? As far as I can tell, we've never even worked on any of the same articles, and never participated in the same AfD discussions, so which experience are we talking about here? If I've been biased, I'd like to be able to see where so I can evaluate it and make any changes necessary to remove that bias. I've "voted" both ways on articles of interest to me, and of course I'll fight for articles that I think are important. I don't think you'll find any editors here who won't do that. I look forward to any examples you can provide. Thanks for your time. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

A number of the articles you babysit (mostly on extremely minor aspects of the anime/manga "fandom" or whatever) strike me as wholly non-notable. It occurs to me, though, that I oppose your election more because you do not have a certain "polymathic" quality which I think administrators should have (and I frankly don't wish to argue my case as to why -- I feel it's my prerogative to have any criteria I please when I vote), and appear quite narrowly focused on Japanese pop culture. Nothing personal. tgies 09:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not arguing about your vote. I agree that you can vote any way you choose, for any reason you choose. I just want to improve, and so I am asking for your feedback so I can evaluate it. If there is anything more specific than what you have stated above, I'm open to your comments.
As for my focus on all things Japan-related (which is actually quite a broad range of subjects, all things considered), that's mainly because editing and improving Wikipedia is a hobby, and I'd rather focus on items which interest me and about which I have some knowledge because I find that more enjoyable than trying to jump into a topic about which I know nothing when I'm doing something to relax. I imagine that almost all of the editors here have one or two topics which are their main focus.
If you look through my approximately 20,000 edits, you'll see that I do edit articles outside of those Japan-related, although it's not terribly frequently due to the reasons I gave above. I look forward to any feedback you have. Thanks for your time. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, I already understand that you mostly edit Japan-related articles because you feel that is the area you have enough knowledge in. That's the problem. tgies 09:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, if you have any useful and constructive criticism, please let me know. I'm always open to it. Thanks again for your time. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
tgies are you arguing with fake japans again? Don't you know that they'll power up for five episodes and then scream a lot? That can't be healthy. I mean, it's amusing, yes, but most likely not healthy. Marasamune 10:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
the adults are talking tgies 10:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Looks more like arguing while trying to keep some semblance of geniality. I could be wrong, but I'm not. Marasamune 10:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
well duh this is wikipedia. tgies 10:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Herbert Saffir

Why'd you nominate this article for speedy delete? Did you read past the first line? Argyriou (talk) 00:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you read the notice? CSD A7. Look it up; it's an interesting read. tgies 04:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Right - no assertion of notability. Saying the subject invented the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is an assertion of notability. The proper action, given the formatting of the article, would be to move material about the SSHS to the first paragraph, not to nominate for speedy deletion. Argyriou (talk) 04:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
No assertion of notability was even present in the article at the time I tagged it; check the revision history. tgies 04:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
You're full of shit. I've just stated above what the assertion of notability was, which was present at the time you mis-tagged the article as a speedy. Furthermore, you didn't have the consideration to notify me that you'd tagged the article. Argyriou (talk) 07:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
have some "no personal attacks" boilerplate SLAMMO
anyway.
Yes, I am certainly aware now that the article is probably not worthy of deletion, and apologize for my mistake. I further apologize for not notifying you; it was a mere oversight and you'll find if you look at my contributions that I am indeed in the habit of notifying the authors of candidates for speedy deletion -- even when those candidates were not tagged as such by me! It was a mere oversight.
However, I maintain that I was blameless in tagging the article as a CSD. I acted on the information I had at the time.
I certainly don't think any of this warrants some sort of ridiculous grudge and such uncivil behavior. Please calm down!
tgies 07:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

And what exactly is your excuse for speedy deletion?

You marked an article for speedy deletion on the basis that it was about a person, band, club, etc, but it's about a new technology. You are inexcusably unprofessional, how can you expect not to receive personal attacks when your behavior is thus?!

Now, restore the stub article and the HDMR abbreviation immediately. I will be escalating this matter.

Daniel Santos 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even nominate it. I was just supporting whoever did. And they didn't nominate it "on the basis that it was about a person, band, club, etc"; they nominated it on the basis that it contained no proof of notability, per WP:CSD criterion A7. It also fit criterion A1.
I find it interesting that you're calling me unprofessional, considering how very worked up you're getting about this. Calm down.
"Escalate the matter" as you see fit, and let me know when you do -- I wouldn't miss that laugh riot for the world!
Thank you for participating in the Interwebs,
tgies 07:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was quite worked up wasn't I? Forgive my lack of tolerance for stupid acts (not a personal attack, but an insult to your actions). Well sorry for the incorrect accusation on marking the article. You did, however, agree to delete it.
However, if you read what you linked to me, paid attention at all to the content of what you agreed to delete, and engaged cranial matter, you should notice that my stub article on Hardware Direct MIDI Routing was not an appropriate candidate for speedy deletion under notability as the deletion policy only allows for speedy deletion if the article is:
about a non-notable person, group, band, company, club, or website that does not even assert the notability of the topic
Had you been doing your work, you would have noticed that the article is not about a "person, group, band, company, club, or website". Perhaps you forgot to read footnote 5 of the notability policy as well as failing to see that speedy deletion is not justified under WP:CSD and that the article was additionally tagged as hangon.
I will consider this correspondence and your reply as satisfying step 2 of the dispute resolution procedures and will escalate tomorrow if still not corrected. Since User:Eagle_101 and yourself both took part to delete an article outside of Wikipedia policy, I will address both of you in the complaint. And thank you for notifying me via my talk page.
Daniel Santos 08:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
You still haven't gotten around to the part where you explain away how the article qualifies under criterion A1. Which is, you know, what I actually said -- A7 was the other user's reason.
You're also forgetting the fact that we didn't delete the article. An admin did. An admin who agreed with the tagging user and I. That's the person you want to go after with your mighty Wikipedia vengeance.
And you can't actually force either of us to recreate the article, I'm afraid. That's your problem. Why don't you just recreate it? Granted, I'll tag it for deletion myself, but maybe you'll get lucky and get an admin who agrees with you this time. tgies 08:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. Thank you for the wonderful work you did on this topic (on User:Eagle 101's talkpage). I didn't want to just re-create without resolving the dispute about why it was deleted. Keep in mind that this article was a stub, intended as a starting point to create helpful information. Regardless of my lack of congeniality, the rules for speedy deletion under "A7" (I'm slowly learning all of this Wikipedia slang) were clearly not satisfied, I hope that you are able to see this. I also would hope that you can at least least understand my frustration with having to fight an A7 assertion on this!
As to the A1 assertion, I have to contest it, although this is at least REASONABLE argument! My only argument with A1 is that the stub did correctly define what Hardware Direct MIDI Routing was (incorrect as the association with the computer motherboard HDMR slot was). The stub did not explore the significance of lag in long midi chains (mostly that it can screw up your music because you end up with a delay) and how Hardware Direct MIDI Routing was intended to address that issue. I'm behind on MIDI stuff since most of my music these days is acoustic. The best I could come up with in my research was that it was a new type of musical instrument interface (I know what MIDI connectors look like, I still use a MIDI controller for my preamp). Finding some vague information about it being some type of audio interface, I was beginning to suspect that it was some interface transmitting MIDI as well as analog and/or digital audio.
Also, I didn't intend to force anybody to recreate the article, so much as convince the admin to roll back the deletion (it should still be stored somewhere). I had mistaken you for an admin and I'm now confused as to who the admin was who approved it. In fact, I have not yet been able to figure out who this person was or how to contact them. This is it's entry in the deletion log, but it only lists User:Eagle_101. Is he an admin? It would seem odd that the person who nominated the page for speedy deletion would be able to perform the deletion.
So, I apologize for my attacking and will try to be more civil (I don't think I really went off on you as much as Eagle). At the same time, I hope that if an article is to be CSD for a bogus reason, users like yourself can be responsible enough to disagree. Feel free to re-nominate it under A1 if you believe that's appropriate, but don't support a bogus A7 assertion.
Moving forward, I'm thinking there should be an article on the HDMR interface (similar to the articles Audio/modem riser, Advanced Communications Riser, and Communications and Networking Riser that you linked). Were you able to determine what HDMR actually stood for anywhere? I haven't been able to determine that at all. HDMR and ASRock has 25k googles, so there should be no dispute about it's notability.
Daniel Santos 07:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Clouds

I don't accept your definition of Clouds not being 'notable'. If you read the sources I left at the foot of the page, you'd find all the sources and verification you need. A cursory glance at Amazon. com, both in the Uk and the Usa, will show you who Clouds were. If you checked the Clouds website (www.cloudsmusic.com) as I originally suggested, you'd find yet more articles and references, including the 4 page MOJO Magazine article about Clouds/1-2-3 which credited them with 'The Birth of Prog', and in which, David Bowie describles Billy Ritchie as 'an unrecognised genius'. 'The History of Scottish Rock & Pop' is a BBC book (Guinness Publishing) - there seems ample source confirmation of everything said in the article. Unless the criteria is something completely different than I understand it to be, I don't see how the band can be dismissed as 'not notable'. Please re-check sources and advise, thank you User:Matthew.Hartington11;31 7 December 2006

You may make your dissent known in the article's deletion vote page, but please first read WP:MUSIC so you will understand why this fails Wikipedia's definition (not just my definition!) of notability. tgies 11:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for responding so promptly, and for the pointers/links....as regards the WP:MUSIC link, Clouds pass on sections 1;4;5;6;12. They made many recordings for Island Records; Chrysalis Records; London Deram, and recently, BGO; they took part in several major tours of both the UK (including The Albert Hall - reviewed in the Sunday Times) and Europe (The Island Records tour which featured 4 groups, Jethro Tull;Clouds; Spooky Tooth; Free -in that order of billing), plus two American tours which included several appearances at the Fillmores East and West. Much more detail on all this available if necessary. Thanks for your help in resolving this issue. User: Matthew.hartington 11:51 7 December 2006
If that is indeed the case, you may be correct in asserting that the band in question is worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia -- my apologies for any inconvenience if this turns out to be the case! I encourage you to present this evidence on the deletion vote page, as mentioned above, so that the community may better gauge the worthwhileness of the article. In any case, I appreciate your civility and hope you enjoy your future ventures in editing Wikipedia.
P.S.: I see you're signing your comments by hand, by typing out your username and the time, et cetera. You might find this handy: Just type "~~~~" without the quotes at the end of your comment and it will be signed automatically. tgies 11:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for that message, and as you've also noted, I'm rather splashing around in the water, having not yet learned to swim in this pool - only joined an hour or so ago! So I do appreciate the patience and help . It's probably my ignorance of computers, but at the moment, I can't see the type-key that gives the symbol you mention as a shortcut. As regards the article and its inclusion, I do understand that you can't just let anyone type anything unsubstantiated into the system, but all the facts concerning Clouds are very much in the public domain, in the books and articles I've cited, as well as the recording history of the band. Amazon is one current easy source - a good link is 'Scrapbook/Watercolour Days' , two of the Clouds albums currently available. Colin Larkin's music business reference work 'The Encyclopedia of Popular Music' is another good pointer, though Colin is currently undertaking a new contribution regarding Clouds to take account of relatively recent history re-writes. Meanwhile, sorry for the floundering, and thanks for all your help. Matthew.hartington 12:10 7 December 2006
P.S. : Found the ~ above the # key! thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matthew.hartington (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Floundering is OK, and you're not doing that badly -- and at least you're not one of those people who goes around intentionally defacing pages! I've gone ahead and posted a little standard welcome message on your talk page with some helpful links to get you up to speed on the standards and such. Have fun!
I'm off to bed now, by the way, so leave a message on the New contributors' help page if you need help quickly. Just scroll down the page a bit and click the "Click here to ask your question about editing Wikipedia" link (it's on a blue bar), and you'll get an edit screen to type your message. Make sure to add a subject line in the field up on top.
tgies 12:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I saw those links - and thank you again, I'm only just beginning to realise what fun this could be, I had stumbled across the entries to two other bands called 'Clouds' whose contribution was not of the same order as the 60's incarnation, so innocently/stupidly thought I'd correct it - little did I know what I was getting into! But it does seem to open up some interesting doors too - many thanks!"Matthew.hartington 12:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)"

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Question about Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings

Copied from my talk page, respond there please.

Hey, I see you seem to sort-of-run Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings. I would like to propose a standard for all user warnings -- can you point me to the preferred place to do that? Thanks, tgies 06:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No problems at all. On the project main page is a link to the harmonisation page, leave your proposal there. Have a good look through the existing overview page, and the template example that's already been created. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 20:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:UW

Hi,

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Don't understand your edit

You added to Corpus vile:

Gamewinners losers.

I find this sentence puzzling.

Clemwang 07:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I did nothing of the sort. That edit was made after mine; please review the edit history. tgies 07:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this. I'm new to some of the pieces of wikipedia and got confused. I see now that it was an act of random vandalism by an unregistered user. I've reverted the article to your last change.

Clemwang 07:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

フランスファイブ

Hello, I noticed you speak Japanese, and I am curious if you can help us translate this into English, for Super Sentai.

フランスファイブを見た串田氏のほうから、主題歌を歌ってみたい！との友情にとんだ申し出があり、氏みずからフランスファイブのために曲を作詞・作曲してくださった。

You can find more information here. Thank you! Taric25 20:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:CACback.png listed for deletion

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I DEMAND RECOGNITION

I demand to be on your internet friends list at once. Also where have you been? -- Tommy Boy ♪ ♪ 20:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==flat signs that aren't "b" don't show up in all browsers==

denisbach@gmail.com www.DenisBach.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.14.41.126 (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Ok, so why did you nominate my secret page for speedy deletion. It's not that I'm mad, but I just created it a few seconds ago. If you do respond, then tell me what I can do to fix it. Oh and by the way, good job finding it. Oh, sorry then mate. Congrats on finding it though!! I will give you a barnstar once I create one... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carerra (talk • contribs) 12:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't -- that was this guy: [1] tgies (talk) 12:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Burak Soner

I am unfortunately uncomfortable with your bloody attitude towards beloved and respected tribal leader from Kenya, our dearest (all hail) Burak Kwashwilli Soner, mate. I am demanding this request to be pulled back in order to reveal our deepest regards to his excellencies, dough. Don't honk with Kwash. He gon' punk ya ass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mertguven15 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not Mr. Soner has the ability and the chutzpah to punk even part of my ass is exactly what is in question. The article in question does not contain any assertion of notability of the subject, and as such I must assume it does not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. If you can provide sources proving otherwise, I encourage you to do so. Have a nice day, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. tgies (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Chris Robshaw

I've turned down the speedy delete request because the article appears to make a notability claim. Suggest WP:AFD if you wish to proceed further. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 13:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Understood. Will do. tgies (talk) 13:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

High Sierra Industries

Thank you for the Speedy Delete of this page. Do you have a problem non-profit organizations, disabled people, Nevada, or Reno? I have reposted it with Economic impacts and an important activity that this organization hosts for the disabled people of Nevada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicscout (talk • contribs) 15:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a problem with every single company thinking they're notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. tgies (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)r
Is the article ok now? I have no relation or affiliation to this organization, I just think they are vital to disabled people in Nevada; what they do is very good. I do not like my work being deleted while and I am researching and developing it, as I was doing this morning. As a person with a disability it is tiring when people think we are not important, and our lives and opinions do not count since we are such a small minority. The reason why I asked you which part of the article you had a problem with is because all of the other posts on your talk page have to do with speedy deletions and some of them were not even upheld. Medicscout (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I apologize if I acted in error — both I and the admin who deleted the article had to act on the information we had at the time, which evidently did not indicate to either of us the notability of the material. I see now you have added some assertion of notability to the article, which changes matters. Sorry for the inconvenience. In the future, though, please be careful to add some assertion of notability at the same time as you create an article, so nobody gets confused. Also, as you were told before, if you contest the deletion of an article, you can always add {{hangon}} to the article to forestall its deletion while you fix the problem.
As for all the comments on my talk page being about speedy deletion candidates, this is only the case because I recently archived the old comments from my talk page. And speedy deletions don't go through all the time; it's nothing unusual.
Welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry about the misunderstanding! tgies (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
And as for whether or not the article is okay now, I'm not really sure. It actually still seems kind of questionable to me; you may wish to check the notability guidelines to see for yourself if it's notable or not. tgies (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding MetaForum

Are you sure this article doesn't deserve a speedy, like a {{db-spam}} or {{db-web}}? I chose to ask you first before tagging anything, of course. Victao lopes (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I did originally tag it db-spam, but I was unsure and so elected to play it safe and reversed my action. You should feel free to tag it for a speedy if you think it merits it, though. Probably db-web. tgies (talk) 18:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Emma Romeu

Are you able to provide the link to the page in which it was copied from? Tiptoety talk 19:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

es:Emma Romeu tgies (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Great! Thank you. Tiptoety talk 19:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Why is this article on your list? The article in Español is differnet than the article in English. Regards Mifernandez
It wasn't at the time. tgies (talk) 03:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Section Sorry

Sorry about that Staffwaterboy© 20:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

tgies touches me inappropriately...

i wish he would stop... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsutter (talk • contribs) 01:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

userbox flow

kthx, that fixed it! SparsityProblem (talk) 13:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Music Macro Language

Updated DYK query On 17 February 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Music Macro Language, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Tags in San Adrian tunnel

Hi, I had just created the article in the Wikipedia and I found it full of tags. It is a real nuisance to see the tags there. I am not a long-standing editor but I don't think it's a good way of encouraging to build Wikipedia. Besides, when I see the article with my username last updates turn up, otherwise they don't. How can I fix the problem? Can I freely delete tags that don't apply? I look forward to your reply. Iñaki LL (talk) 11:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


Secret Subpage

You found my secret subpage a while back. I just made a barnstar for it so if you want it, track it down again.

-- Carerra "I help newcomers! 20:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Help in Translation

Hi, my name is Giorgio. I'm not very active in english Wikipedia because the italian one needs more help. In fact Italy needs help. But I'm strongly partecipating in Commons (in english). Anyway I'm italian, from Florence, and I'm working with other people on a project, in italian Wikipedia, related to my hometown Montevarchi. In Commons we are uploading pictures of the city and its people. So, in Montevarchi lived an admiral that was naval attachè in Tokyo from 1904 to 1906. But at that time he was just a lieutenant. In his personal archive, we digitalize, we found 2 documents written in japanese. About one we were able to find somebody to translate it [2] (even if I don't know the translation is correct) but about this other one not [3]. Could you help us or do you know somebody that can help us in translating it? Thank you.--Giorgiomonteforti (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)