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[edit] Significant Edits
I've been putting a lot of work into trying to take some of the POV from the article and to polish some of the writing. You can see that when I started, the article read like a Freshman Lit. Term Paper from some Texas college. A Term Paper that likely received a B+. I'm not saying it was bad, but it still had room for improvement.
I've cleaned up the references to follow Wikipedia's reference standards and tried to standardize the term as "Texas Country" throughout the article as the double capitals is how it was expressed in the topic sentence (and I personally think it looks better as a proper noun.)
Lastly, I marked this and the Red Dirt (music) article for merging. It'd be awesome if someone would volunteer to do that part as I don't know much about music from North of the Red River.
I welcome further suggestions and ANY help. Long, Tall Texan 19:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Texas Country vs. Red Dirt
There is a "competing" article at Red Dirt (music) that is essentially the same thing. I believe that we need to merge these together somehow. This is what I wrote in the discussion page of Red Dirt:
'In Texas this type of music, made in either Texas or Oklahoma is called Texas Country - "Red Dirt Music" is used primarily (I would say only) by Okies. Also, the folks working out of Lubbock, Fort Worth, and Austin might not like the fact that "Red Dirt" music eminates from Stillwater. I believe this article (and others) reflects the views of someone from Oklahoma who believes that the genre is Oklahoman - it is equally (if not more in the end) derived from Texas and its LONG musical tradition. (Before any Okie gets mad, yes I am from Texas, but the roots of this music are Texan: from Bob Wills to Willie and Waylon to Jerry Jeff to Robert Earl to the bands that have sprung up in Texas AND Oklahoma since the mid 1990s.'
I believe, if you do a Google search for "Red Dirt music" vs. "Texas country music", you get far more links for the latter. Any suggestions?
TuckerResearch 20:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion from Red Dirt (music)
Keep it Acurate and Historical After working on looking at the history and evolution going back to Woody Guthrie time, to totally delete the Red Dirt Music page and merge it into Texas Country would blur or delete this lineage. My vote is to keep Red Dirt Music active with link to Texas Country. Sharonbrain Jan 2008
This is just cut and pasted from the discussion at Red Dirt (music) - TuckerResearch 20:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
More Texan than Oklahoman I agree with TuckerResearch that the article describes a genre that is usually affiliated with Texas rather than Oklahoma. The term "Red Dirt" seems to be used in popular contexts (e.g., on XM radio's X-Country or KHYI out of Plano, TX to refer to only a handful of bands from OK such as Cross Canadian Ragweed, Stoney Larue, and No Justice. Musically, there seems to be no great distinction between artists in this genre and those that are often referred to as Texas Country or "hard country." Seeing that the better known artists in listed on this page (save for CCR and Stoney Larue), the biggest of these artists (Smith Music Group), and the "elder statesmen" (Ray Wylie Hubbard and Robert Earl Keen) are all out Texas and strongly associated with that state, I think the Red Dirt moniker is inapt. Texas country or hard country seem more appropriate. I think it's better to talk about the Red Dirt "scene" rather than genre, much as the word is used to describe groups of artists from Austin or Houston.
For the record, I'm a Midwesterner living in Virginia, so I have no dog in the TX/OK fight.
This doesn't have to be a TX/OK fight. I am a proud native Texan, and will never leave, but I also know that there is a lot of great Country coming out of Oklahoma. (I am a huge Stoney fan) I believe that what is most important here is the Red Dirt artists and their fans are showing Nashville that we don't have to depend on their carbon-copy crap anymore.
I agree, but.... I agree, a lot of good music comes out of Oklahoma, but I'm saying most people don't call it "Red Dirt Music," they call it "Texas Country" or "Texas Music." I too love Stoney Larue. I am objecting to calling it "Red Dirt Music," or this quote from the article: "Red Dirt is a rising genre of music based in and around Stillwater, Oklahoma." That is patently false. And "Stillwater is the 'Nashville' of Red Dirt music"? You can replace Stillwater with Fort Worth, Austin, or Lubbock and it would be more truthful, but probably still not correct. It is a flexible "genre" out of many bases. But "Red Dirt Music"? There are Texas Music Charts: http://www.texasmusicchart.com/ - there is a Texas Music Magazine: http://www.texasmusicchart.com/. There is no such thing for "Red Dirt Music."
I am for merging this article with Texas County and noting that it is also called "Red Dirt Music" in some circles, especially those out of Oklahoma. Also, the Red Dirt article is just a list of band and artist names, but the Texas Country article is actually an encyclopedia article.
Gene Rhea Tucker TuckerResearch 20:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seriously
Why do Texans feel the need to attach their name to everything country? Keep it Red Dirt Country, then it encompasses both states and gives ample recognition to each. Wellsurewhynot (talk) 05:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
