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Contents 1 copyright stuff on illustration 2 Carrhae 3 Name 4 Formatting issues 5 Encumbre? 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Testudo-rtw.jpg

[edit] copyright stuff on illustration

The legal stuff from the official website seems to indicate that screenshots from the game can be used for non-profit, educational or research purposes, so long as sufficient legal acknowledgement is given to The Creative Assembly, and a license for the game has been purchased.

I have also tried contacting them via email to get express permission, but after several tries, and no response from them, I've given up.

see http://www.totalwar.com/community/legal.htm

I agree that if you cannot obtain permission then the images should be removed. I also think its much better to use real world imagery rather than [possibly] fake game ones. I have found another image at [1] from [2] website which might be worth seeking permission for us to use. Oh and please sign your comments because we have no idea who you are or what date that was posted. -- RND  T  C  08:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrhae

There is no mention whatsoever in the records of the battle of Carrhae of legionaries assuming the testudo formation.

WILL PEOPLE STOP USING COMPUTER GAME MANUALS AS REFERENCE MATERIAL!

Furthermore, shields pinnend to soldiers' arms and hands are likely to be rare incidents highlighted by ancient authors for dramatic effect.

Yes, it would be nice to have a citation for this. Our only sources for the Battle of Carrhae are Plutarch and Dio Cassius. Plutarch has the anecdote about shields being pinned to arms:

... being driven into a narrow compass, and falling one on another, they were wounded and died no easy nor yet a speedy death, for tortured with violent convulsions and pain, and writhing with the arrows in them, they broke them in the wounds, and, by trying to pull out by force the barbed points, which had pierced through their veins and nerves, they increased the evil by breaking the arrows, and thus injured themselves. Many thus fell, and the survivors also were unable to fight; for, when Publius encouraged them to attack the mailed horsemen, they showed him that their hands were nailed to their shields, and their feet fastened right through to the ground, so that they were unable either to fly or to defend themselves. (Plutarch, Life of Crassus, XXV.)

Dio Cassius gives a similar account to Plutarch, and says:

Finally they were shut up in so narrow a place, with the enemy continually assaulting them from all sides at once, and compelled to protect their exposed parts by the shields of those who stood beside them, that they could no longer move. (Dio Cassius, Roman History, book 40.)

which sounds a bit like a tortoise, but on the other hand surely any group of soldiers being shot by arrows will form a shield wall like this. It's not clear evidence that the Romans tried to use a tortoise formation at Carrhae. The account in the article is certainly plausible, but I think we need some more evidence. If this the opinion of historians about what the Roman tactics probably were, then we should be able to find someone to quote. Gdr 04:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Please don't move an article by cut-and-paste, it loses the history. If you want to move to testudo formation but can't do it yourself, make a proposal at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Gdr 00:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting issues

Fixed formatting issues with the two left side images eating into the text. --RND 14:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Added "the" before "testudo's formation". -- RND  T  C  09:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encumbre?

I've heard that "encumbre" was the command shouted when the turtle dispersed. Just seeing if anyone could validate this truth or non-truth of this. Just H^{editor review} 00:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Testudo-rtw.jpg

Image:Testudo-rtw.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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