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[edit] "Ginger"

It might be an inside joke, but the Doctor suggesting when he's regenerated that he's always wanted to be "ginger" could also reflect the fairly well known shorted rhyme slang where being "ginger" indicates being gay. In the same sequence he also refers to having a slightly weak wrist when he says "slight weakness in the dorsal tubicle". Takers on that? RubbishBeard (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Ginger is the common word used in Britain to describe a redhead. Type 40 (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fashion Commentary

The following phrase "We think that it is very fit and everyone should dress like it" is extremely POV (though kind of funny). I was bold. It's out. Godofpork (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Godofpork

[edit] Number of episodes/stories

An anonymous editor recently upped the count of episodes and stories by one. I almost reverted, but then realized that the anon is right if you count the Children in Need mini-episode. I can see arguments on both sides of the issue. On the one hand, it's part of the series' narrative, released on the Series 2 DVD, and produced by the official production team. On the other hand, it's only 7 minutes long, and doesn't even have a name. So, should we include it in our counts of episodes and stories? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I think we should- they don't call it a mini-episode for nothing. ninjafish 6March


A cracking article, this one - it reads very well, and isn't burdened by too much geek detail. Well done to all editors concerned. jamesgibbon 09:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitly not, the mini-episode was nice and definitly worth a space on the serials, although it wasn't ever considered a 'real' episode, its just a bridge from one episode to th other. If I were you I'd revert straight away.--Wiggstar69 16:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Wiggstar 100%. 82.19.114.0 20:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack as a companion

Like Martha, it's been pretty obvious that Jack is going to return at the end of S3. Unless anyone can come up with a reason not to, I'm adding him to the infobox. --Quadratus 15:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead I say--Wiggstar69 15:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Hm. Just saw the notice on the editpage. I won't add him, even though I don't exactly agree with not adding him. :P --Quadratus 16:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd say leave it be until he actually appears. We shouldn't record things that haven't happened yet as if they have; for all we know, John Barrowman could fall out with the BBC, or be hit by a falling jet engine, or take a vow of silence, or have any number of unpredictable and/or wacky events happen that would end with him never filming those episodes, or their never airing. Nothing's certain until it's done. ShaleZero 02:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm of two minds on this: on the one hand, ShaleZero is correct that anything could happen, but on the other hand we know a lot more than we did when that tag was placed on the page, the episodes are already in the can, and in the latest Radio Times Russell T Davies writes, ""Jack's back! As John Barrowman's Captain Jack Harkness comes storming back on board the Tardis — with an arrival like no companion has ever had before — it's time for the Tardis's wildest ride yet!" I think that's solid enough evidence to add him to the infobox now. If his inclusion is problematic, we could always footnote it to the Radio Times article. The original objection was that although we knew he would be returning, we didn't know whether he would be returning as a companion (he could have been resentful of the Doctor leaving him on the Game Station, and conspiring with Mr. Saxon or something). Since RTD implicitly calls him a companion in the Radio Times summary, I say we can do the same. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
If Barrowman is to be mentioned, it should be referred to as speculative and not definite. As ShaleZero said, Barrowman might fall out with the BBC and not go on. And, if I know Torchwood, there'll be some twist to the story. And even then, I don't think he'll be a companion as such. Mageslayer99 16:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Captain Jack is definately returning as we have seen the trailer, so I'm going to add him. Harry matthews 13:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Please hold off until Utopia airs. Just a few more days. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
A companion is usually described as someone who has travelled in the Tardis (though not always, Liz Shaw never did). Jack does travel on the TARDIS in series three so perhaps that counts? ;) Type 40 (talk) 15:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bakelite

It's not an extraordinary ability to taste bakelite - from personal experience I know it has a distinctive smell, so tasting it shouldn't be that difficult. I suggest we remove that reference. Totnesmartin 20:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe in liquid state it has an extraordinary smell, but when solid it's quite inert.84.198.96.249 (talk) 08:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Converse trainers

Could anyone please provide me with a list of the different colours of Converse trainers the Tenth Doctor has worn? I'm particularly interested to find out what colour Converses he wore with his tuxedo in Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel and The Lazarus Experiment. Any help would be much appreciated. PeeJay 20:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sun rumour

I ripped out the ridiculous Sun rumour about Agyeman not returning because there's only that waste of trees itself to cite. Why would Billie be 'devestated'? She's the one who quit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.48.236 (talk)

[edit] Duplicating links

From Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links), regarding excessive linking: ""Excessive" is more than once for the same term, in a line or a paragraph, because in this case one or more duplicate links will almost certainly then appear needlessly on the viewer's screen. Remember, the purpose of links is to direct the reader to a new spot at the point(s) where the reader is most likely to take a temporary detour due to needing more information." Once per section is enough. Chris 42 21:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Bugger I just fixed all that without seeing this. I do think it was done haphazardly before, but I'll revert. Sam42 10:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] At the Start of the article can we have a quote

I was thinking a quote from the recent episode with 'The Family' in would be good' 'Why this Doctor who had Fought with gods and Deamons. Had run away from us, He was being kind'—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.215.205.19 (talk • contribs)

While I do like the idea and the quote, it wouldn't really fit with an encyclopaedia to open an article with a dramatic quote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.30.114 (talk) 23:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Warning

Does anyone else think that a Spoiler Warning should be added to the page after the Overview section? Cause there's talk of events happening during Season 3, yet it hasn't aired yet in the US. I know that in the UK, they've just yet to air the last few episodes, and then the US Sci-Fi Channel will pick up the syndication and air during the Fall.--Rich 10:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been decided that spoiler tags should be removed from all articles per Wikipedia:Spoiler, and I'm sure that if you add one someone would revert. I think the rationale is that a section that contains spoilers is already defined as such by its heading (usually "Plot"). However, it's a tricky one in this case, since there is no Season 3 section. Maybe have a look at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler to see if someone has raised the issue? :-) Chris 42 11:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Ooooo..... I didn't know there was a whole guide about spoilers..... every time I think I finally understand the system, the manual keeps getting bigger on the inside--just like the Doctor's pockets. According to the guide, the spoiler tag is allowed in this case... However, since I don't see any real plot being given away, and putting in a spoiler tag would mean reorganizing the Biography and separating it into seasons, I'll retract my recommendation and keep my mouth shut.  ;) Rich 08:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Does Not Wear (Brand).

I've noticed that the article is edited every now and again regarding the Tenth Doctor's footwear, from "sneakers" to a particular brand of sneakers. From my research and asking on several major forums, this seems to be an invention of fans of the show, rather than an actual fact, as several other brands of shoes are done in an extremely similar style. In the context of the show the shoes, if they are branded, seem to have had the labels removed from them to intentionally make this ambiguous- therefore, I think sneakers is a much better term than naming a specific popular brand, hence my several edits to generic sneakers. Hope this clears things up!

Rvannith 15:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The Doctor does wear a particular brand, although I feel mentioning the brand rather then just saying sneakers or the more 'english' word 'trainers' is pointless.--Wiggstar69 22:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
All the sneakers have the branding removed, by either filing down logos or by applying latex paint in order to intentionally obscure the brand. Given that this is obviously done to make the sneakers look generic, coupled with the lack of clear shots proving that the sneakers belong to a particular company, I'm keeping the reverts as they are, then. Rvannith (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2010

We know that Tennant will return not only for the 2008 series, but also for three 2009 specials. Whether there will be a 2008 Christmas special we don't know. We know that series 5 is being delayed because of Tennant's involvement in Hamlet, so he has to be returning for series 5, but technically we don't know he'll be in the whole thing. i have added the three specials + part of series 5 reference in to the main article. If anyone things it should assert even more, feel free to make a case. My interpretation of "be bold but not reckless" is what I've put up. 85.92.173.186 15:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh wait - I've just found out his involvement in at least some of the 2010 series ie itself, as far as BBC News is concerned, dubitable. I've made a secodn edit, though maybe a citation of the "gap year" article would be good. 85.92.173.186 15:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
As far as we know his only involved up to 2009, no news conserning him in 2010 has been disgussed.--Wiggstar69 12:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, thought I can't list a citation as I don't have it with me, the Latest issue of Dr. Who magazine made the confirmation of him returning in 2010 a Cover feature.```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.146.58.125 (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a Christmas special this year, newspapers have printed photographs showing the Doctor, Cybermen, a snow covered graveyard, and extras in Victorian clothing. Seems this would put the contempary episodes in the current year after that. Digifiend (talk) 09:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

Not to sound mean or anything but I think we should make this page and the other Doctor Who charcter pages like he is a real charcter because the page is a little hard to understand so could we do that?--The K.O. King 23:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

But his not real, his fictional, why would we pretend his real?--Wiggstar69 12:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia guidelines STRESS that we MUST make it clear that we are talking about fiction. Wryspy 22:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know that. What I am saying is at the top put the Doctor is a fictional character on the BBC television show Doctor Who and is portrayed by David Tennant or something to that degree. But instead of saying in the episode Utopia The Doctor met another timelord called the Master. Just put at one point the Doctor met another timelord named the Master. Do you understand what I am saying?--The K.O. King 23:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Brits used "called" more than Americans do. Plus, he's called the Master. It's not his original name. Think about it. The Doctor frequently says of himself, "I'm called the Doctor." Wryspy 02:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that "The K.O. King"'s main point was about "called" vs. "named"; if I'm understanding him correctly, he's saying that the article should consider the character in an in-universe style, saying that events "happened" to him rather than saying that they were shown in such-and-such an episode. If that is what you're saying, K.O.K., I'm afraid we can't do that: in fact, Wikipedia's guide to writing about fiction explicitly says that articles must be written in an out-of-universe fashion. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Real world perspective for the reasoning behind this guideline. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
That's what I thought at first, but his switch from called to named in "But instead of saying in the episode Utopia The Doctor met another timelord called the Master. Just put at one point the Doctor met another timelord named the Master." sounds like something else, so I figured I'd address it whichever way this person meant it. The latter part's omission of the episode title sounds like it's how you interpret it, yet. Wryspy 07:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm saying Josiah Rowe so can we do that to the article?--The K.O. King 17:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

No, we can't, because of the Manual of Style guideline I linked to. The Doctor Who wiki, a fan wiki which is not part of Wikipedia, has articles written in an in-universe style, but Wikipedia doesn't allow fiction articles to be written that way. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
We absolutely cannot do it that way. The Manual of Style is oh so clear on that. Wryspy 18:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
That's why I pointed him to the fan wiki. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Uh, yeah. And I was backing you up because people asking questions like that usually need to hear the answer from more than one person to know for sure that it's right. Wryspy 06:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Gotcha. Sorry — I thought you thought you were correcting me. My bad. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 11:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay it was worth a shot ha ha.--The K.O. King 00:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie Oliver

This was in a now-removed trivia section of the Jamie Oliver article. It has no relevance there but might be of some use to this article for a design section or something:

David Tennant, the current actor to portray The Doctor on the hit BBC series Doctor Who, stated on an interview on Parkinson in May 2007 that the design for the costume of The Doctor came from "a white version" of what Oliver wore on an appearance on Parkinson a year earlier. [1]

Brad (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sally Sparrow

Someone might be able to word it better than me, but I think it's fair to refer to Sally Sparrow on the Companions section, even though she isn't considered one. She nonetheless performs the same functions as a companion, and is working on the Doctor's perhap which at least places her into a similar category as Captain Yates or even Jackie Tyler. This is different from Elton Pope, who generally operates independent from the Doctor and isn't really working for him except at the very end. It's probably also worth mentioning Madame De Pompadour being offered companion status, so I'll add that, too. 23skidoo (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree. Blink is not an episode you can really look at in the format of a Doctor Who story. It's not about the Doctor saving the world and some girl helping. It's about this really weird thing that happened to Sally Sparrow once, and the Doctor's involvement is really like a joke that the audience gets to be in on. Other than that, he could have been anyone as long as that person had time travel. So Sally isn't the companion in this story because no one is. Sally is the main character. --SoloGecko (talk) 17:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Sally Sparrow is not a Companion. And I would in fact be very suprised if she directly in the series again; it seemed that the whole ending of that episode was about her moving allong away from the doctor and toward her own life. The same goes for Madame De Pompadour, who is about as much of a Companion as Shakespeare was. A reasonable rule of thumb (though not an exact one) is that the character is not a companion if they do not travel with the Doctor at least once. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 22:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

He didn't invite Sally to join him, he did with Astrid and Jenny, so those two count (Astrid died, he believed Jenny had died also) but Sally does not. Strangely though, Sally did get some votes in SFX magazine's favourite companion poll! Digifiend (talk) 09:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Expelliarmus"

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound mean, but isn't it Martha that suggests that Shakespeare say "Expelliarmus" at the end of The Shakespeare Code? Shouldn't she be credited with saving the day? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.254.185 (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly that's how I remember it. --SoloGecko (talk) 17:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gay culture reference in Time Crash?

I think that the person who added the remark about beards and wives as references to gay culture might be reading too much into the line. I'm of the opinion that it really should be taken at face value, a simple joke at the expense of the rather campy appearance of The Master's previous incarnations and the break with tradition of giving him a companion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.30.114 (talk) 23:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

But you don't know that, do you? If it's left significantly ambiguous that it could be either way, then it's fine. - NP Chilla (talk) 17:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


I think it's fairly obviously he meant it in the way it is referenced as in the article- in the same way The Doctor registered shock and surprize in The Sound of Drums "The Master has a WIFE?" RubbishBeard (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

So that, too, was a gay joke? Because I can see how the beard thing is a big coincidence to dismiss, but "The Master has a WIFE?" works better if you take it at face value. The old Master was presumably straight, and it's hard to imagine someone like him taking time out of his busy schedule of world domination to take some random human out to dinner. If you take it to mean the Master is supposed to be gay, it's both commenting on a change in-universe and telling us about that change out-of-universe, and doesn't make sense anymore. --SoloGecko (talk) 18:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
"Does he still have that rubbish beard?" "No... well, a wife". Clearly a reference to the term beard in gay slang (see Beard (slang)), meaning a woman accompanying a gay man with the intention of making him appear heterosexual. That doesn't mean the Master is gay; he's likely asexual the way all Time Lords seem to be. Type 40 (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I had not been aware of such a term until now, so thanks for the link. That pretty much clears up any debate on this topic. The original comment could easily be taken at face value, but the "Time Crash" one cannot, considering it's wording. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 22:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tenth Doctor Sayings

I note that a lot of the Tenth Doctor sayings such as "Sorry, I'm So Sorry", "Fantastic", & "What?" are mentioned in the main article. How does everyone feel about adding in "No no, don't do that", mentioned to Rose while she starts trying to speak like a scot to Queen Victoria & Martha while she tries to talk like a pirate in The Infinite Quest? I'm sure he says it another 1 or 2 times... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizrythmia (talk • contribs) 03:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think The Doctor also says the, "No, no, don't do that", to Martha in the Shaksphere Code when she says words like verily and other words I can't remember, but I think that should be added to the article.--The K.O. King (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Fantastic" is a Ninth Doctor catchphrase, the Tenth Doctor says "Brilliant". Digifiend (talk)

He hasn't said allons-y this season, has he? Type 40 (talk) 15:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The fourth doctor said "What?" a lot too. There's a video compilation of it somewhere. It's actually common among the upper class in Britain (Prince Phillip, for instance) as opposed to "pardon me" which is considered more middle class. Type 40 (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Quotes <- Contains all the Tenth Doctor quotes one could need. :) -- Tarun. (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Family

The family section of the article as it stands lists only Jenny. I know that what with the Time War and all her expstence may be somewhat dubious at this point, but what about Susan and her mother? Since all the Doctors are the same person it seems a little remiss to avoid mentioning them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.217.6.6 (talk) 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Susan was added at one point, but then deleted. I assume that's because Ms Foreman is considered a relative of the First Doctor, as that's the only one she's ever been seen with (and is now presumed dead, as she's a retconned Time Lord). Digifiend (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You don't know whether she actually is a Timelord. After Jenny was "born", The Doctor stated that being a Timelord is more than just genetics. So him having a child the natural way would not automatically make her a Timelord. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.96.249 (talk) 08:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

She's presumed to be though. It's never actually been revealed in any more detail. I think it might have been intended for the 1990 season though, as rumour has it Ace would've left to attend a Time Lord academy. However, it's possible that the same device used in the Family of Blood episodes could've been used here. Digifiend (talk) 09:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)