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[edit] Tenochtitlan moved to Tenochtitlän

I can't see the reason for this move. I'm tempted to move it back, but I'd be interested in hearing arguments first. What's the diaresis indicating? –Hajor 13:23, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to know as well, but in the mean time I'm moving it back, as this seems very uncommon at the least (2 google hits for "Tenochtitlän", one in German). -- Infrogmation 16:35, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Nahuatl phonology. The final A is long (unlike the first three vowels which are short), so it is indicated with a diaeresis as per Nahuatl orthography. It should be fine—Tenochtitlan redirects here. - Gilgamesh 01:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following phrase from the article:
"Nähuatl Tenochtitlän".
While some transcription systems do use diaereses (or acute accents, or macrons, or doubled letters) to indicate Nahuatl vowel length, it is extraordinarily unusual. It is not used by the Mexican govt. in its bilingual publications, or by the Nahuatl wikipedia, or the Summer Institute. Writing the language name "Nähuatl" in English is unwarranted, too.
Instead of opening up this can of worms, surely the IPA string indicating how the name is pronounced is enough? Could someone upload a sound-file of a native speaker saying the name? That'd help. too. –Hajor 14:41, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I can´t see either a reason for using diaereses, at least not in the title of an article, its the first time i see this use. Nanahuatzin 21:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • However, "Tenochtitlán" is used very frequently. I might not be surprised if it is used more frequently than Tenochtitlan, but as a native speaker, that's the way I've always heard it. --Titoxd 07:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

"Moctezuma II, thinking Cortés to be the returning god Quetzalcoatl, welcomed him with great pomp." - I thought that Moctezuma was sceptical as well and even though he welcomed Cortes he also asked him to leave?


Moctezuma tried to divert Cortez, he was very afraid, and even tried to send someone who pretend to be Moctezuma. Altough a lot of aztecs were skeptical, Moctezuma seem to believed until the end int the return of Quetzalcoatl. Moctezuma complied with every petition of Cortez. He baptisized, accept to be under King Carlos, gave him every present he could think of, and forbit human sacrifice. Nanahuatzin 02:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from the Aztec article

The article on the Aztecs is getting huge, 59k at last count, and we should probably start doing something to break it up into smaller pieces, ala the History of Greece, Inca Empire and a bunch of otherwise large historical pages. Merging the info about the Aztec capital seemed a good place to start. --Fxer 02:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. There is actually quite a bit of information in Aztec that should probably be here.--Curtis Clark 04:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] un-sentence

"There were also specialized tianquiztli in the other central Mexican." What does this mean to say? - Jmabel | Talk 06:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Mea culpa. I accidentally erased the word "towns". Thanks for the catchin the error. Madman 14:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obviously not a reference

The following was listed in the references:

  • "Tenochtitlan" Great Tragedy for the theater, in Spanish by Santiago Sevilla in Liceus El Portal de las Humanidades[1]

Clearly a fictional play was not a reference used in the writing of the article, given that the play itself is not mentioned. I've brought it over here to talk instead of just cutting it in case there is something worth following up. I didn't even follow the link, myself. - Jmabel | Talk 06:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bernal Díaz del Castillo

He is referred to in this article as "Bernal". Isn't that like calling Cortés "Hernán"?

MaxwellPerkins 07:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I fixed it by using his full name. --Richard 08:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

I feel that there needs to be more detail about the meaning of the "eagle perched on a cactus with the snake in its mouth". If possible, I would like to edit this to talk about the following (really horrible point form :P):

  • A tribe member of the Aztecs had a dream where one of the gods they worshipped told him and his tribe to go on a journey in search of a place to build the world's mightiest empire.
  • They would know where to build the empire by seeing an eagle with a snake on its mouth, perched on a cactus.
  • When they arrived in Texcoco, the peoples of the area were not happy of thier arrival so they chased them around the lake's perimeter.
  • They kept on moving around the lake until one morning, a tribe member woke up to see the sign on a rocky isand in the lake's center.

Is this okay or should we put this in another article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HopieG (talk • contribs) 21:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

This is mentioned here in this article and in more detail in the History of the Aztecs article. If you feel that the discussion in History of the Aztecs is too scanty, then by all means add to it as long as you provide good citations. Discussions of Aztec history separate from Tenochtitlan, however, do not belong in this article.
Hope this helps, Madman (talk) 20:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


I never did get a chance to read the History of the Aztecs page until you mentioned it. I suppose it's good enough. Thanks! HopieG (talk) 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)