Talk:Tenebrae
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[edit] From software article
The following text was incorrectly in Tenebrae (software):
- The Office of Tenebrae or Tenebræ is the name of prayer services conducted in the Catholic Church on Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday, in preparation for the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus, or Easter. The word means "shadows." It is also observed in the Anglican and Episcopal Churches as a single office during Holy Week, usually on the Wednesday of Holy Week. The chief feature of this office is the successive extinguishing of candles until the church is completely dark.
--Mrwojo 14:03, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article states that Holy Communion is never served at Tenebrae services. However, this service is most commonly held on Maundy Thursday, which commemorates Jesus's Last Supper with his disciples, so wouldn't that make it almost required to hold Holy Communion at this service, at least when it is held on Maundy Thursday? I'm speaking from experience - my UCC church holds a Tenebrae service on Maundy Thursday with communion, so I think that the "never" part is a bit strong, but I wanted input before I go ahead and change it. Can someone clear this up? Thoroughbred Phoenix 20:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- In the Roman Catholic tradition (prior to the reform of the Holy Week services in, I think, 1956) the Mass of the Lord's Supper was held in the morning - for reasons (related to the Eucharistic fast) which no longer apply. Tenebrae was celebrated in the late afternoon and was the Matins of Good Friday, brought forward to the Thursday evening. If your church doesn't observe those traditions then the statement that Holy Communion is never given at Tenebrae doesn't apply. Alec.brady (talk) 10:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed Move
I'm suggesting we might want to move this page from it's current namespace of "Tenebrae (service)" to the namespace "Tenebrae (liturgical)". The term "service" is vague and does not denote the specifically religious subject of the article. Not only would "Tenebrae (liturgical)" also make it clear that this is an article on a religious subject, it also follows the usual naming convention for other Christian liturgical terms. For example, the Mass is Mass (liturgy) and octave is Octave (liturgical). Dgf32 (talk) 20:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] present status in Catholic churches
Someone from ip 71.253.52.145 (since you dont have an account yet I can only ask questions here) added this, just removed by another editor:
...and it continues to be observed at the University of Notre Dame (and possibly other traditional Catholic churches),...
which makes me wonder if this is under some indult and whether indeed a few non-'schismatic' Catholics might still be able to observe tenebrae (I would love to find a loophole for the parish I work at!). What are the conditions at ND? Sparafucil (talk) 01:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- It is also celebrated at St John Vianney Seminary, in the Archdiocese of Denver. I will change the article to reflect this, as there is no ref for it being defunct. Carl.bunderson (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
