Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 July 9
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was replace and delete all. After Midnight 0001 18:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The background on these templates is as follows, {{Euro birth date and age}} was created by RadioKirk on 2 November 2006 as a breakaway from the main {{Birth date and age}} which was created on 24 August 2006 by Ed Poor. This template was created for the express purpose of displaying the output in the date format of dd/mm/yyyy. The reason for this template was so that non-logged in users and users with no date preferences set, would see the date of birth of biography subjects who were either born in or who are primarily associated with a geographical region who uses that particular date format, that is most countries outside of the United States. So as an example, a non-logged user who accessed the article on Tony Blair would see in the infobox that he was born on "6 May 1953" as opposed to "May 6 1953". However, it should be noted that a logged in used whose date preference was mm/dd/yyyy, or any other preference, would override the template.
The template was then nominated for deletion some 23 days later. Discussion lasted 8 days and was closed by Martinp23 with the result being no consensus.
This was then followed by the creation of {{Euro death date and age}} by Danbarnesdavies on 23 March 2007 and {{Euro birth date}} and {{Euro death date}} on 7 May 2007 by Patleahy.
Patleahy then proposed that the four templates be renamed. It was proposed that templates drop the "Euro" and that "(date first)" be added to the end. Discussion ensued with the result being that a parameter be created to the existing templates, hence making these templates obsolete. Patleahy then requested that the additional parameter be added on the talk pages of the protected templates. After brief discussion, MZMcBride then made the changes to {{Birth date and age}} [1] and {{Death date and age}} [2] with Patleahy making the changes to {{Birth date}} [3] and {{Death date}} [4]. All four changes were made on 17 May 2007.
So, now that all of the four original templates have the necessary parameter to perform the sole purpose of the breakaway templates, I now suggest that the following occur:
- that the articles where these templates are transclused been edited to include the equivalent original template. As of this post, there is a total of 1027 articles that will need to be changed (with the breakdown being birth date 27, birth date and age 763, death date 2 and death date and age 235); and
- once this is complete, delete these templates.
Ianblair23 (talk) 05:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete and document the df option in the original templates. The second set of templates is redundant. This is what I intended when I added the df parameter however there was so little support and some opposition I didn't pursue it. The opposition was because editors objected to using a template where day first was not the default. I think this issue is trivial and since does not affect readers it should not stop merging the templates. If this issue is more important than I think it is, solutions can be found which don't require two sets of templates. -- Patleahy 06:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Two different templates that achieve almost the same purpose just makes things confusing. -- Sdornan 18:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, needlessly redundant. These templates were already needlessly redundant before the parameter was added, and should have been deleted the first time around, but now that the parameter has been added, they're even more needlessly redundant. —Angr 20:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep- still seems to be a useful addition to important articles Modernist 10:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Delete, as per Angr above. As all these templates wikify the date, I see no reason to create variants for people who don't set their user prefs; if the date format bothers them, they can configure it. — OwenBlacker 10:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)- Merge, as long as the replacement templates have the order parameter (date first), then these templates can be removed. It's important for Europeans (and others using dd/mm/yyyy) that for their articles the date defaults to their format. It's even overridden by user prefs, so it will only affect anonymous mm/dd peeps, who are less likely to encounter these pages. -- johndrinkwater 18:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Do we really need every damned article using this template to be marked with "this template is being considered for deletion"? It's incredibly obnoxious - obviously, the plan is not to change anything substantive, but simply to replace this template with another one that does exactly the same thing. As such, this whole discussion is entirely administrative, and there's no reason to disrupt numerous articles by having an obnoxious little message appear. john k 23:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- The messages have been moved to the talk pages. -- Patleahy 23:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Phase out as suggested by Ianblair23 --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
