Talk:Tekken (series)

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[edit] Separated

I've separated the Tekken series from the first game. For the series, go here: Tekken (Series) and for the game, go here: Tekken (Video game) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tud123 (talk • contribs) 17:33, November 30, 2006 (UTC)

Can someone plase add more details to the article for the game please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.145.214 (talk • contribs) 06:01, December 1, 2006 (UTC)
This move has been cleaned up some; the series article is now back at Tekken and the first game is at Tekken (video game). If that's not correct (for instance if you'd prefer it at Tekken 1) feel free to bring that up at the game's talk page. -- nae'blis 20:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Please leave it as it was with the word series in brackets, it may confuse some people. I've edited it back. Leave it! - Tud123

We can move the page to a parenthetical name if needed, but please do not copy-and-paste information to do so. You're running the risk of losing page history that way, something we need for compliance with the GFDL. Please see Wikipedia:Moving a page for some of the reasons why this is a bad idea. A discussion can be opened on moving the page to an alternate location, but there's no need to be hasty. Would Tekken series be better for the overall article? -- nae'blis 02:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

This is the overall article, isn't it? Oh and can you leave the Tekken Template how it is currently - Tud123

Yep, this is the overall article. The first game could live at the title Tekken (since that's what it's called, not Tekken 1, I don't think), or we could add the word series after Tekken for the overall article (either in parentheses or not). Would you like me to open a formal Requested Move process to determine where most people want them to be? -- nae'blis 09:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

OK? - Tud123

[edit] Rehauling the Character Pages

I run the wiki http://www.tekkenpedia.com, if you visit that you can see how I've laid out my character pages, if it saves time then feel free to use my layout / content and media on wikipedia.

An example character page: http://www.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/Anna_Williams

And exactly how are these pages better than Wikipedias? King Zeal 19:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I never said they were better, I said they were available for use if needed. 210.10.116.166 22:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I think Zeal meant to say "Thank you" 198.6.46.11 18:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TekkenFan

Is there anyone who thinks the TekkenFan links should even be kept on the Tekken sites? First of all they've been spammed all over the place, not for good Tekken content, but for having match videos. Second of all, I finally went to the website myself and cannot find any content on this one site that all the other sites already listed don't have. The only real Tekken information it contains is about Tekken 5, and we already have the official website listed for that info. In my opinion the TekkenFan links should just be removed. I'll leave this open to discussion before I make any more changes. --TheKoG 02:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Also see number 2 of Wikipedia:External links#What should not be linked to --TheKoG 02:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Take them off, indeed. Delete blatent spam. -MegamanZero|Talk 03:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Since there are a few users still spamming the TekkenFan links I have PMed the admin of the site in hopes to get this matter settled. --TheKoG 02:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin from TekkenFan.com

Sorry if this is the wrong format, I am not too sure on what the syntax is here. This site is a personal site, but is in no way commercial. I pull maybe a quarter per month from banners, and if that ever gets to the 20 per month i pay for hosting, it will go towards the hosting.

So if you wanna call it anything it would be non-profit? Wanna talk about a commericial site? TekkenZaibatsu even gets donations to fill its pockets with the thousands of people that go there. The reason a majority of the content is tekken 5 is becuase the site has only been opened for 6 months. And those staple juggles(no other site has) and moves list for each character.

I restrict 95% of the site's content from guests(and add banners to guests) for an incentive to signup. The whole thing is free, and signup doesn't take more than 2 minutes. It doesn't even validate the email addres.

I actually dont see how you can say there is no content. . .I have spent SOOOOO much time adding content to that site.

You have the offical site listed? Namco doesn't put ANYthing on that site(except for news and new pictures), but no one in any Tekken community goes to that 'official' site.

I do concentrate on Tekken Videos because that is what the people want. I have cheap bandwidth, and want to spread as many tekken videos(none i made) to as many people wanting them as possible.

In the end, I'm a 23 year old kid, who can't afford the hundreds of dollars to advertise, and saw a good referral/signup rate from Wikipedia. I dunno who 'added the site to everything with 'tekken' in it', but all I have done is add TekkenFan.com to the list of external links under the 'tekken' page.

I apologize for any misunderstanding myself or any member of my site has caused, and hope you will add the link back to the external links list.

The problem isn't whether a link is commercial or personal. The list of external links section is for added information outside of what the official site offers. See Wikipedia:What_wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. The Wikipedia is not for advertising. The reason the other links are already there is because they have been chosen for the information they contain, not because someone wants to advertise. Frankly, TekkenFan does not seem to add anything that the other links do not already provide. The external links section is already bloated and sometime soon, when I have enough time to carefully review the rest of the sites listed, I will attempt to trim it down. Another thing, restricting 95% of content from guests is a sure-fire way of not getting listed on the Wikipedia. It does not matter if the registration is free or not. TekkenZaibatsu may very well be a commercial site, but it contains a wealth of information about the Tekken series without requiring registration. The reason you also saw a good referral/signup rate is because you cannot do anything without registering. For example, in order to contact you I had to sign up. There was no other way around it. Therefore, I am now listed as another one of your users with another referral/signup. In my opinion it's a dirty tactic to inflate your site's numbers. I am not a member of TekkenZaibatsu, yet now I am a member of TekkenFan. --TheKoG 06:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] And again

The reason I made TekkenFan was to compete against TekkenZaibatsu. I am VERY anti-banners when it comes to visiting sites over and over(why fill my laptop with spyware, adware, and cookies). Also because of all the banners, it loads SUPER SLOW. I made TekkenFan because when you the people(signups, members, whatever) come to the site, besides what original(yea original) content I put on there, they MAKE the site. Why must I require them to pay me to remove banners, give access to videos, and everything they hide from non-paying members. It's sad, people already must pay 50 dollars for the game, why not have a free site that offers some competition. You also said you couldn't contact me without signing up. Incorrect, at the top of every page is 'contact us'. Viewable to both members, and guests. It was one of the first php scripts/plugins I made for the site. Like I said, I've worked for months adding content on the site, comparing other sites, and offering things no other sites do. I am tired of debating this. Do what you want, but a definate good way to turn people off from wikipedia. Be sure to keep that tekkenpedia link in there as well(sooo much content that others just dont have). Like I said, do what you want. I've stated my case.

There is no case. You can work for months on end regarding your site, and I appalaud that. But keep it out of encyclopediac articles. It is spam, and will be removed on sight. Please honor this request, and desist adding your links to wikipedian articles regading your site. Thank you. -ZeroTalk 22:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I also had TekkenFan come onto my wiki and add his link to the front page of the Tekkenpedia instead of the community portal, citing that "it is a Wiki and I'm allowed to do that". 58.104.44.152 06:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
About adverts (And some history to make it educational)
Actually match video's are not everything, it's community. Many sites in the past have come out offering video's and closed down months later due to high bandwidth costs. Lets face it people want things for nothing, and are willing to get everything they can, this results in a lot of media transfer from people who don't care about the site they are getting it from. For a long time it was only TZ, AP and TC that were doing any form of large scale media production, with sites like EC having their moment in the spotlight then unfortunately dying. I realised that movies weren't everything, and were only fueling the fire that was my bandwidth cost and tried off loading them through Bittorrent and soon after TZ started doing it as well, but people still complained. I've had the media off the site for a while now but the next few weeks will see it _all_ coming back.
I worked for an internet advertising company dealing with banner deployment and other advertising like Google's AdSense, and lots of websites get it all wrong. One or sometimes two well placed adverts will do really well, where splashing them everywhere usually detracts from the site. This could be a case of members just doing the wrong thing and the admin copping all the blame, happens all the time, but it's still the admin's responsibility to keep their members inline. Your suggestion to stick the links in their signatures was a great suggestion, just someone took it a little too far. Also TZ has not only bandwidth to pay for but hardware maintenance, it's because of this maintenance that AP was created (TZ went down for 4 days back in 2001 while we were organising our first Brisbane tournament and we needed somewhere to keep organising).
When you have 1k+ (AP was at about 900$/m) bandwidth bills per month, that's when you will know how much that few dollars here and there from sponsors helps, it's not a get rich quick scheme, it's the fact that you are offering something for free and getting charged for it by your providers. Nothing in this world is free, didn't Wikipedia just have a fund raising effort?
Anyhow, thought I'd add my 2c since I was looking.
Scott.Moss 06:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Namco fighting universe

I keep wondering if by any chance, Soul Calibur and Tekken take place on different time periods of the same planet Earth on the same universe?

No official confrimation yet, but its generally believed they do take place in the same continuity. -ZeroTalk 09:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tekken Series banner

Is there any way to edit the Tekken series banner at the bottom of the page? Tekken Tag Tournament is under the heading - Main Games when it should be in the same place as Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection as it was just an update to Tekken 3. It is not part of the series or Tekken 4 would have been the 5th game. The Main Games header should only include Tekken 1,2,3,4 and 5.

The Devil Gene, G-Corporation, The Mishima Zaibatsu and The Mishima Polytechnical School should be in it. - The 4th Snake

[edit] Relese dates

I added more accurate release dates for all Tekken games. I used http://tekkenzaibatsu.com/ and http://www.gamespot.com/ as sources. They are still incomplete so please add more accurate release dates if you know them. --80.186.158.146 16:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tekken movie

I don't see any mention of it here at all...--Marhawkman 18:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe the article for it was deleted due to lack of evidence that it's being filmed. When there are press releases etc, I'm sure it will be added. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I was actually referring to the OVA.... But there is a link hidden in the article.--Marhawkman 21:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mention in Popular Culture

I separated this section from the Appearances sectin because there's a distinct difference between Tekken clearly being represented outside of the video game medium, and having passing mention in popular culture like songs or television. However, this list is becoming cruft for fans, and I don't think it has a place in the article. King Zeal 20:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Move to Tekken (series) (although I'd like a more general discussion about series-of-anything named after the 1st edition). Duja► 08:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Tud123 has requested above that this article (currently at Tekken be moved to a location where it will not be confused with Tekken (video game), which is nominally titled Tekken, not Tekken 1, I believe. Although that is a stub that has recently been split off from this article (which I understand to be about the series as a whole), the idea has some merit, so I bring it here to the usual editors to decide. Options mentioned already (that fit the capitalization scheme on Wikipedia) include Tekken (series) and Tekken series, but other suggestions are welcome. Please indicate a preference, if any, if you support such a move. -- nae'blis 19:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polling

Approval voting is a fairly painless way to do open-ended polls like this. List an option below if you support it, and sign your name to any and all options you support. You can add new options to the list; if you oppose any move to any title, sign under the blue link Tekken. -- nae'blis 22:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Tekken series
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Tekken (series)
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  • See the related poll this poll. Jecowa 23:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The new de facto standard, one that I support. Hbdragon88 02:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Aphasia83 03:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • The general standard for this kind of thing. --PresN 21:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Tekken (video game series)
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Tekken (the current title, no change)
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  • Oppose - move unnecessary - a dab sentance (like I have added) is sufficient. -- Beardo 04:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Move requests with no specific move target are a little tough to manage. (If 4 people support A, 2 people support B, and 4 people oppose, where's the consensus?) I suggest you pick one and re-list the move. Tekken series would get my support. –  Anþony  talk  19:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually they're easy to do with approval voting. Anybody who wants to can list one they support, and anybody can vote for more than one. If one gets a clear consensus, the page goes there. If there's a consensus that the page doesn't move, it's even easier because nothing happens. Take a look at Talk:Jericho (fictional town) for an example. -- nae'blis 22:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No one has mentioned what the most common search target would be for "Tekken". To me, that's a deciding factor for whether it should be moved at all. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

OK, I've done the move (well, I'm not positive that it was the correct thing to do) and fixed introduction links in the articles related to the series. Someone should sort other incoming links to the series Special:Whatlinkshere/Tekken. Duja► 08:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tekken to the 360?

I have doubts that the reports are substantial enough to have it mentioned in the Wikipedia article, but many sites are reporting that there is a possibility that Tekken will also be a titled for the Microsoft 360. Here's some of the sites: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/02/rumor-tekken-6-on-xbox-360/ http://www.aeropause.com/archives/2007/01/tekken_6_exclus.php http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=153152

These are rumors from January. Rumors aren't substantial enough, and even less so when they're months old. King Zeal 21:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, seeing how the arcade version of Tekken 6 will run on PS3 chips[1], it seems very unlikely that Tekken 6 will be released on the Xbox 360. Anyway, there were rumours that Tekken 5 would be on the Xbox, all of which turned out to be false. Michael Mad 17:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Appearance Table

Firstly, I don't think the table should appear in the main article - it's bulky and takes up a load of space without displaying critical information; surely it should be on a character-related page?

Furthermore, I feel that it would like more presentable if the ticks and crosses were centered (both hor and vert) in columns.

Just opinions though... 194.176.201.24 —Preceding comment was added at 15:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with your point of view on the matter, but I do agree on the fact that it's too bulky. Notes like (mentioned in Nina's prologue) are entirely unnecessary and clutter the table. I suggest that we either move notes to the bottom of the table, or we remove the notes completely. The table should be based on playable appearances, not all appearances. Hardcore gamer 48 (talk) 11:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
If I haven't heard any feedback on my suggestions by the 20th, I'll be testing out a new table. Hardcore gamer 48 (talk) 09:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)