Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/IAmSasori

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

[edit] User:IAmSasori

Suspected sockpuppeteer

IAmSasori (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Ridernyc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Doctorfluffy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


Report submission by

TheKillerAngel 02:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Evidence

All three users are going (or have gone) on an articles for deletion spree, particularly WarCraft related ones. They are all making the exact same posts for deletion requests and posting in a very similar order. While it is possible they are three distinct users, their patterns are extremely suspicious and warrant investigation. All three users vote the exact same way on the articles with the exact same words and posts in nearly the exact same order (IAmSasori followed by Ridernyc then Doctorfluffy). Take a look at these AfD entries:

These are just a handful of dozens of articles mass nominated for deletion; a list of World of WarCraft related articles nominated for deletion is in IAmSasori's talkpage.

Comments
  • Comment this is just plain funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs) 17:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • While there appeared to be a mass deletion, please do note they were individual character articles with little to no sources. There shouldn't be that many articles in the first place to make it appear to be a mass deletion, and the successful deletion of a majority of them is proof as so. The only reason why those two have edited it in a similar order is because they most likely did it in that order. All the AfDs I created regarding those characters are virtually identical, and thus some of the "votes" for them would be the same. Just imagine all those AfDs being one AfD. What they did was virtually the same as "voting" for one AfD, except they have to copy and paste the arguments. It was only separated mass amount of articles because of a trainwreck, which I suggest you visit. I also doubt I would control, let alone have the patience for, two older accounts with a larger amount of edits above me. Either way, I cannot do much else to prove those two are not me. Feel free to checkuser me if it would help. IAmSasori 14:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I think it should be pretty clear to anyone who looks at my history that I"m not a sock puppet. Is one person having conversations and relationships with different sets of editors talking about a range of topics on different talk pages. You can take issue with he way IAmSasori may be handling his AFD's but that has nothing to so with the fact that I feel these articles violate policy and I'm going to voice that. This seems like another attempt by certain people to distract from AFD discussions on policy and bring in arbitrary arguments into the debates. Guess what there are about 5-10 editors who all vote exactly the same way in these debates. I also invite a checkuser. You will find that every edit I have ever made has come from the same central Florida ISP, probably most of them on the same exact IP address. Ridernyc 01:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • IAmSasori and Ridernyc
  • Sockpuppets - They both participated in different AfDs at 21:29 1 November 2007.[1][2]. Three minutes later, at 21:32 1 November 2007, they participated in different AfDs.[3][4]. They both have posts at 22:59 6 November 2007, Ridernyc having one post[5] and IAmSasori having two posts[6][7]. They are not sockpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Meatpuppets - IAmSasori and Ridernyc have coordinating their deletion strategies, but only in a general sense.[8][9]. The only article overlap I could find is because now indefinitely blocked User RBLakes removed all of Ridernyc's AfD tags and IAmSasori restored them using TW. (E.g., IAmSasori nominates Tauren, User RBLakes removed Ridernyc's Tauren AfD tag, Ridernyc restores the tag. IAmSasori and Ridernyc contributed to the following articles or its talk page: Blood Elf‎, Dwarves (Warcraft), Gnome (Warcraft)‎, Goblin (Warcraft)‎, Murloc, Naga (Warcraft)‎, Ogre (Warcraft)‎, Tauren‎. They are not meatpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • IAmSasori and Doctorfluffy
  • Sockpuppets - IAmSasori posted at 19:25 25 September 2007.[10]. Doctorfluffy posted at 19:25 25 September 2007.[11]. They both posted at 20:34 15 October 2007, with IAmSasori posting twice at that time.[12][13][14] They both have multiple posts at 20:41 15 October 2007. They both have multiple posts a minute later at 20:42 15 October 2007. They both have multiple posts at 20:18 25 October 2007. They both have posts at 20:28 25 October 2007. They both have posts at 21:38 1 November 2007. They both have posts at 21:54 1 November 2007. Their September 25, 2007, October 15, 2007, and other posts intertwine each other's post. -- > IAmSasori and Doctorfluffy are not sockpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Meatpuppets - They have not contributed any common article or its talk page. IAmSasori and Doctorfluffy are not meatpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Doctorfluffy and Ridernyc
  • Sockpuppets - Doctorfluffy posted at 16:46 11 June 2007.[15]. Ridernyc twice posted at 16:46 11 June 2007 using TW[16][17] and then posted three minutes later using TW, a delay that seems consistent with Ridernyc's other TW posts at that time. Ridernyc posted at 18:28 27 September 2007.[18]. This time, Doctorfluffy twice posted at 18:28 27 September 2007.[19][20] Ridernyc posted at 16:33 4 October 2007.[21]. Doctorfluffy posted at 16:33 4 October 2007.[22]. They both posted at 20:15 08 October 2007.[23][24] The both posted at 21:11 18 October 2007. They both posted at 18:03 29 October 2007. They both posted at 18:57 29 October 2007. They both posted at 02:07 30 October 2007. They both posted at 20:36 31 October 2007. They both posted a minute later at 20:37 31 October 2007. They both have posts at 05:21 2 November 2007. They both have posts at 05:22 2 November 2007. They both have posts at 05:32 2 November 2007. They both have posts at 19:38 3 November 2007. They both have posts at 19:13 5 November 2007. They both have posts at 03:06 7 November 2007, and a variety of overlapping posts on 7 November 2007. Their August 30, 2007, September 14, 2007, October 4, 2007, November 7, 2007 and other posts intertwine each other's post. -- > Ridernyc and Doctorfluffy are not sockpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Meatpuppets - They contributed to the following articles or its talk page: Anal-oral contact‎ and Antonio Garrido, more by happenstance than anything else. They are not meatpuppets.-- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Conclusions
  • After looking into the matter, it is clear that IAmSasori, Ridernyc, and Doctorfluffy are not sockpuppets. While IAmSasori and Ridernyc have coordinating their deletion strategies in a general sense and seem to share similar views as to what should be deleted from Wikipedia, they do exercise independent judgment and their actions are not so intertwined or dependent upon one another as to consider them meatpuppets. -- Jreferee t/c 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)