Talk:Stonyhurst College

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Stonyhurst College was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: March 20, 2008

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[edit] Archive

I have archived old discussions on this page, which can be found here: Archive 1

Orexis bouleutike (talk) 23:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have created a talk archive on a separate page: Talk:Stonyhurst College/Archive 1. --Snigbrook ^(talk) 23:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA fail

I'm sorry, but I am quick failing the GA nom of this article for inadequate referencing. There are entire paragraphs and sections without references. Please fully reference the article before re-nomination. Thanks. Nikki311 00:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eighth Victoria Cross Winner?!

According to Hewitson, Stonyhurst College, Present and Past (1878, Fishergate, Preston), page 265, among Stonyhurst's alumni is a man named Lieutenant General Hon. Henry Hugh Clifford VC CB. He won the Victoria Cross for gallant conduct at the Battle of Inkerman in the Crimean War. Either the author has confused him with the other Hugh Clifford who went to Stonyhurst and made a mistake, or the College has a forgotten VC winner. I've looked him up on the internet but cannot find any mention of his schooling. The family appears to have had strong links to the school and is related to the Weld family (grandson of Thomas Weld, benefactor of Stonyhurst - so likely that he would be schooled there). Can anyone clear this up? I may contact the Association office or Mrs Graffius, the curator, about this (when I get chance).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.197.117 (talk) 10:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Apparently Hewitson confused him with his cousin. 7 VCs after all. 163.1.126.5 (talk) 16:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Classroom Names

I've added the ones I know. Could someone plese fill in the rest. 86.156.197.117 (talk) 11:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Importance rating

I have upgraded this article to high importance which brings it on a par with Ampleforth College. As a leading Catholic school with important alumni the school easily justifies the high importance rating. Dahliarose (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

I have had to re-correct the question of Lancashire being a Roman Catholic County. I have demonstrated above [see archive of this page] that Lancashire was not a catholic county or predominantly a catholic county whatever Muir says -see the 1851 religious returns. Chasnor15

Lancashire may not have had a majority Catholic population. The idea is that the locality in which Stonyhurst lies did have a strong Catholic presence, whether or not the county as a whole did is not the issue. In any case the majority of Lancashire's population lived in the growing south - Manchester/Liverpool area, which is very different to the rural area around Stonyhurst. I have looked at your comments above, but I still cannot see how it affects the area where Stonyhurst is. I don't think Muir is just talking about the 19th Century. John de Bayley was licensed to have an oratory on the site in the C14th - the area's Catholic history goes back a long way!

Orexis bouleutike (talk) 00:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting and Summarising

I have been splitting the article as it has become too long. The new articles form the Stonyhurst College series. I am aware that the summaries I have left in place of the previous material are somewhat inadequate, so please do improve upon them, but note that all the information which was there has been moved to a new location - it has not been deleted. This also enables further expansion, especially to the history section, which I intend to contribute to myself over the summer.

Orexis bouleutike (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I have finished splitting and have removed the "too long" box. I think the page is much easier to navigate and comprehend now, though I hope to improve upon it still further. I did create a separate article concerned with the headmasters from St Omers to the present, but it was nominated for deletion so I have split the list between this page and the St Omers one. I hope the article feels and looks better!

The references still need to be improved so that the article can gain 'good article' status. I have re-positioned the pictures as they are laid out on those articles which have GA status. Also a crest would be good if anyone has an image of it.

Orexis bouleutike (talk) 23:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stonyhurst Website copies Wikipedia article!

I was very interested to read an article on the Stonyhurst website about its observatory, more so when I recognised the wording and realised that the observatory's potted history had been lifted directly from this page (compare the dates). Is that allowed? http://www.stonyhurst.ac.uk/article_1138.shtml

Orexis bouleutike (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)