Talk:Stanley Goble

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A fact from Stanley Goble appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 6 December 2007.

[edit] Rank on return to Australia

I've been adding some referencing to the London Gazette to fill out some more detail on decorations and promotions. I've noticed this entry: London Gazette: no. 32009, page 8183, 6 August 1920. Retrieved on 2007-12-06.

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MEMORANDA. Squadron Leader Stanley James Goble, D.S.O., O.B.E., D.S.C., is granted the honorary rank of Wing Commander whilst empld. with the Commonwealth Government of Australia (Royal Australian Navy). 1st Aug. 1919.

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which seems to contradict the info currently in the article that he went to Australia as Lieutenant Colonel, and only on creation of the Air Board received the rank of Wing Commander. David Underdown (talk) 09:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean, however both McArthy (ADB) and Alan Stephens (RAAF historian) say Goble was a Lt Col on return to Oz and Stephens explicitly says he and Williams became Wg Cdrs only on est. of the permanent Air Board in 1920. I'll take another look at everything however when I get a minute in the next day or so. Tks for all your additions. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I later found this one London Gazette: no. 31332, page 5800, 9 May 1919. Retrieved on 2007-12-06., from which it appears he did initially go there as an (acting) Lieutenant-Colonel (though it would have been nice if it was more specific about the "special employment". Looking at Major (United Kingdom), it appears the RAF used army-style ranks until 1919-07-31, adopting (essentially) the current rank structure on 1919-08-01 (which potentially fits with the first reference I talked about here), and it perhaps noteworthy he was an honorary, rather than acting Wing Commander. The circle can perhaps be squared if the rank only became substantive with the creation of the air board, but since he had effectively traded in his RAF commmission for an RAAF one at that stage, no notification appears in the London Gazette, and I don't know if there was an equivalent Australian publication at the time (and without such confirmation we're veering into Original Research, I'm not sure if the status of the London Gazette as primary or secondary source has been discussed within Wikipedia in any case). David Underdown (talk) 11:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)