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[edit] Initial talk

Lauren OK, what is the Spring and Autumn Period? Context is needed. --mav

Com'on, this is a HUGH topic and has been researched worldwide for centuries. It takes time to just write a good prose and I am searching on web at the meantime. You can contribute something too. BTW sometimes you need to give people space of freedom. I am very sure your intention is good because you care about this project so much (otherwise you won't be a Wikipediholic). Have fun !!! User:kt2

I'm just asking for at least a one sentence definition. I know very little about this area of history but you could come-up wInsert non-formatted text hereith a one sentence definition in less than 30 seconds I suppose. --mav

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Echo Mav Mintguy
Ok, I'll start something from scratch as I can't find anything in public domain (at least for now). You could have mentioned it before if you are just asking for a brief intro. I thought you want something detail because of your serious intention on articles. User:kt2
Opps! Sorry about that. I don't expect complete articles on the first version - like Athena springing forth fully grown and clad in armor from Zeus's head. :) --mav
Hope you don't have a hard feeling. Maybe I'm just too defensive on my subject of interest. -- kt2

I'm reverting this to save the discussion. At the worst, what we have is a case of a valuable contributor making a minor lapse. (As if I haven't made the same mistake.) At best, we have a reminder to everyone to write articles as if readers don't know anything about the topic. -- llywrch 04:53 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)

It is doubtful that Han Chinese or even Chinese exist during this period. But I don't know if we have a better English term to use! -- Wshun

What are Chinese if they are not Han? The idea of Chineseness is disputed and of a political order. However, it is really important? I reckon that some determinism is necessary to allow the reader some knowlegde on the Spring and Autumn Period - debating the truth of being Chinese or not, is therefore perhaps not relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marenqo01 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The slow crumbling of nobility resulted in widespread literacy; increasing literacy encouraged freedom of thought and technological advancement. This era is followed by the Warring States Period.

I think this article needs more info in this direction; currently, its mostly about politics and war.--Confuzion 13:52, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] capitalization

Is it "Spring...Period" or "Spring...period"? Isn't this a parallel of the dynasty capitalization in "the Han Dynasty"? --Menchi 03:48, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've moved the page back pending a reason for moving it. This is really sitting-on-the fence and could probably go either way. Since we've had it here for so long I think we should stay put. --Jiang 04:29, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The number of Chinese states

I've noticed the following addition to the article:

This period was filled with battles and annexation of some 170 smaller states.

At best I can only come up with the names of a dozen states that existed during this period; I'm a little surprised that there were that many which left a clear record of their existence. Is this a hard & fast fact? Is there a source for this figure? -- llywrch 17:57, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 'sacked'

I think someone should find a better word than 'sacked', no?

If 'sacked' is used in the context of a military action, it is perfectly acceptable. If the meaning is 'fired', then it is too casual.--Baoluo 08:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Era

The Chinese Wikipedia article currently states 770 BC - 476 BC[1], but this article states 722 BC - 481 BC. Shawnc 10:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of China's Feudal Period

The second sentence of the second paragraph states that the Qin dynasty brought the end of China's feudal period. This statement needs clarification or correction; feudalism is characterised by hierarchical social structure, loyalty to a lord, fealty, and a particular economic structure in which land is privately held but rented to laborers. By this definition, China's feudal period did not end until at least the later years of the Qing Dynasty, or perhaps even the end of the civil war in 1949.--Baoluo 08:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, fair enough point. The end of feudalism is a much disputed concept in China and I very much agree with your argument that in the present context it is most likely to be incorrect. However, as I said before, it is a much disputed idea (ie. end of feudalim) for the reason of its linkage to modernity. There is not a clear moment when modernity started and when feudalism ended in China. You could argue that China is in contemporary terms modern, postmodern, traditional and barbarious all at once. Moreover, besides the eurocentric bias embedded in concepts such as modernity and feudalism, the idea of modernity seems to be integral to the changing concept of confucianism - see eg. Wang Hui's "THE RISE OF MODERN CHINESE THOUGHT" (forthcoming Harvard Press).

Taking this all in consideration I would suggest to take the whole argument of 'end of feudalism' out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.101.243 (talk) 19:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] =Map of Spring and Autume Period

I don't think this map is good for spring and Autumn period. Look the list of state, from east to west, from south to north, how this map could be on this page? It should be deleted. 216.48.171.235 03:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)